Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

MissBrattified · #1 10-19-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

And what does that say about the "straight" folks? Humanity isn't a pretty picture.

It doesn't say anything about "straight" folks; it says something about "idiots."

People can be incredibly cruel, especially when it comes down to pride. I'm not personally hip on the idea of gays in the military, although I haven't exactly fleshed out my reasoning. I'm also not hip on anyone getting hurt because their secret is revealed.

The story from the past few weeks of the high school boy who committed suicide because of the gay sex video that was broadcast was incredibly sad and sickening. I'd wager that's nothing compared to what could happen if gays came out in the military. The nature of the beast requires that the men in the military be "men's men" (no pun intended), and a large measure of narcissism and chauvinism is a given to go along with their abundant testosterone. Add to that their training in lethal force and their pack instincts, and it's a disaster in the making.

notofworks · #2 10-19-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It doesn't say anything about "straight" folks; it says something about "idiots."

People can be incredibly cruel, especially when it comes down to pride. I'm not personally hip on the idea of gays in the military, although I haven't exactly fleshed out my reasoning. I'm also not hip on anyone getting hurt because their secret is revealed.

The story from the past few weeks of the high school boy who committed suicide because of the gay sex video that was broadcast was incredibly sad and sickening. I'd wager that's nothing compared to what could happen if gays came out in the military. The nature of the beast requires that the men in the military be "men's men" (no pun intended), and a large measure of narcissism and chauvinism is a given to go along with their abundant testosterone. Add to that their training in lethal force and their pack instincts, and it's a disaster in the making.

Oh, I think it does. It says there is still a very ugly bias among many straight people in their views of gays. That's not saying all straights are bad, but it makes a loud statement. Exhibit A, here, would be the fellow here in this thread who's father believe gays were "handicapped in the mind." Yikes.

whoami · #3 10-19-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh, I think it does. It says there is still a very ugly bias among many straight people in their views of gays. That's not saying all straights are bad, but it makes a loud statement. Exhibit A, here, would be the fellow here in this thread who's father believe gays were "handicapped in the mind." Yikes.

Totally agree.

Praxeas · #4 10-19-2010, 02:48 PM

I don't see how not wanting to stand naked in front of a guy that you know is sexually attracted to men is bias

notofworks · #5 10-19-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't see how not wanting to stand naked in front of a guy that you know is sexually attracted to men is bias

It might depend on just how attractive I'm feeling that day.

MissBrattified · #6 10-19-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh, I think it does. It says there is still a very ugly bias among many straight people in their views of gays. That's not saying all straights are bad, but it makes a loud statement. Exhibit A, here, would be the fellow here in this thread who's father believe gays were "handicapped in the mind." Yikes.

And there are some pretty ugly biases among homosexuals regarding straight people (and Christians). Biases are usually based on ignorance, hence my label of "idiot" rather than "straight." Plus, it has been my observation in at least a few cases that those with the most vitriolic responses to certain lifestyles are those who have had their own secret struggles.

There are idiots and extremists in every group. If this were about politics, then we wouldn't say that "conservatives" have a tendency to bomb abortion clinics; we'd say that zealots and extremists have that tendency. I have a problem with abortion clinics, but I'm not inclined to bomb one just because I'm politically and religiously conservative. Only a dolt would show such an inclination.