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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
I asked my retired military dad once about gays in the military, he stated something like military has always discriminated against certain people such as handicaps, flat feet, low IQ, etc.....he made the point that gays are handicaped in their minds so it should disqualify them. Good point, IMO.
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But those are all handicaps that would prevent them from operating sufficiently in a military capacity....even if Homosexuality was a mental "handicap" does it hinder their ability to operate in a military capacity? I doubt it if so every military on the planet would be handicapped. There have always been gays in the military
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10-19-2010, 02:42 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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They are handicapped in their mind???? How so?? I've seen studies that show the average IQ of a gay person is actually higher than the average straight person, so surely he didn't mean intelligence.
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He wasn't refering to IQ. A man that wants to have sex with another man has a mental issue or handicap, for sure.
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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I asked my retired military dad once about gays in the military, he stated something like military has always discriminated against certain people such as handicaps, flat feet, low IQ, etc.....he made the point that gays are handicaped in their minds so it should disqualify them. Good point, IMO.
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That would NEVER fly. Homosexuality is an aberration from what God intended for human sexuality, but you can only make that point from a religious standpoint.
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10-19-2010, 02:44 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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10-19-2010, 02:46 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I didn't really address the "don't ask" part. I'm just saying I think it's unwise to flip the policy at this juncture. If it were reversed, I would say that everyone who is presently IN the military should be grandfathered in with a "Don't Ask; Don't Tell" smoke screen for their protection.
This isn't just about men, Prax. This applies to lesbians as well.
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Im just presenting what might be a man's position, a straight man might not want to shower with a gay man knowing he was gay. If we allowed that why not ask the ladies how they feel if heterosexual men showed with them?
My point is and actually this is what I have hear the military brass say, it should be up to the men. How do they feel about gays in the military? How do they feel about showering with them?
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10-19-2010, 02:46 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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It doesn't say anything about "straight" folks; it says something about "idiots."
People can be incredibly cruel, especially when it comes down to pride. I'm not personally hip on the idea of gays in the military, although I haven't exactly fleshed out my reasoning. I'm also not hip on anyone getting hurt because their secret is revealed.
The story from the past few weeks of the high school boy who committed suicide because of the gay sex video that was broadcast was incredibly sad and sickening. I'd wager that's nothing compared to what could happen if gays came out in the military. The nature of the beast requires that the men in the military be "men's men" (no pun intended), and a large measure of narcissism and chauvinism is a given to go along with their abundant testosterone. Add to that their training in lethal force and their pack instincts, and it's a disaster in the making.
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Oh, I think it does. It says there is still a very ugly bias among many straight people in their views of gays. That's not saying all straights are bad, but it makes a loud statement. Exhibit A, here, would be the fellow here in this thread who's father believe gays were "handicapped in the mind." Yikes.
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10-19-2010, 02:48 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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He wasn't refering to IQ. A man that wants to have sex with another man has a mental issue or handicap, for sure.
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Good grief. I'm trying to behave in my comeback but a statement like this makes it difficult!
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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Oh, I think it does. It says there is still a very ugly bias among many straight people in their views of gays. That's not saying all straights are bad, but it makes a loud statement. Exhibit A, here, would be the fellow here in this thread who's father believe gays were "handicapped in the mind." Yikes.
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Totally agree.
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10-19-2010, 02:48 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
I don't see how not wanting to stand naked in front of a guy that you know is sexually attracted to men is bias
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10-19-2010, 02:49 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
But those are all handicaps that would prevent them from operating sufficiently in a military capacity....even if Homosexuality was a mental "handicap" does it hinder their ability to operate in a military capacity? I doubt it if so every military on the planet would be handicapped. There have always been gays in the military
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bump Truthseeker
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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