Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Azzan

BT, thanks for the non judgemental approach. As I said before I will not be drawn into debates. And that is because I can offer nothing new that has not already been said many, many times before here at AFF and else where.

But since you asked, I will tell you my personal opinion. I know that most here will disagree with me and that is fine - you have your interpretation, I have mine.

As I've already stated, it is my opinion that some are born gay. I know many do not believe that and that is fine. We will have to disagree. But I do believe it because I am there - I have dealt with this "choice" every single day since I was age 11. I am now 47.

It frustrates me to no end to hear people say it is a choice when they have not walked in my shoes for one single minute let alone an entire life time. Until you have fought my battles, felt my pain, faced my shame, you do not know of what you speak. Imagine the horror of finding out you are attracted to your gender when being raised in a Pentecostal home or any christian home for that matter. Do you have any idea what that does to a person and their self esteem? I think not.

I said all that to say this. For me, I do not feel that it is unnatural to be attracted to my gender. I know that goes against the grain but you asked me my opinion. I know many will say I am in error. I know many of you will pray for my soul. I thank you for it.

Again, I am not here to push a gay agenda. I apologize if I have offended anyone as that is not my intention. I am just trying to articulate where I am and what I have been through in order that someone out there may gain a better understanding of what it means to be gay and perhaps more importantly what it means to be gay and raised Pentecostal.

There are many hurting souls out there folks. And some of them are sitting in the pew right next to you.

I'm coming in late on this conversation, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating what someone else may have already said.

First, I have gay friends and over the years I have tried my best to understand their take on the gay agenda. I'm 50 years old, and at this age many of us become more sympathetic or merciful to those whom we considered wrong in the past. Our own mistakes bring about humility in regards to situations like this and I have honestly tried to understand the homosexual lifestyle.

My problem with the gay lifestyle is simple (at least I think it is simple). Azzan, you consider your lifestyle or choice natural. You feel you were born this way, and that confirms your feeling about being gay.

A natural choice should confirm a natural response or reaction. For instance, the Sun is the Sun because it is warm, provides light, and helps our planet to grow food to sustain life. The Sun would not be the Sun if it didn't provide us these benefits, at least on Planet Earth where humans exist. We expect the Sun to perform and do its duty from a natural standpoint.

If the Sun leaves these natural boundaries, we die. When people leave natural boundaries, we die.

Without becoming too graphic here, when the gay agenda is revealed in honesty, the male organ does not belong where gay men put "It". Many gay men require diapers, surgery, and have a great deal of infection in their urinary tract from using the anis for sexual pleasure. Also, sperm is meant for the vagina of a woman where life is produced. Once people leave the natural sexual function of a man and a woman, problems are not only obvious, they are unnatural and unscientific.

If a gay person decided to live with the same gender without having sex, I could see that as being a productive lifestyle for some. But once sex is brought into the picture, I'm sorry, but I don't see that as being of a natural affection.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I'm coming in late on this conversation, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating what someone else may have already said.

First, I have gay friends and over the years I have tried my best to understand their take on the gay agenda. I'm 50 years old, and at this age many of us become more sympathetic or merciful to those whom we considered wrong in the past. Our own mistakes bring about humility in regards to situations like this and I have honestly tried to understand the homosexual lifestyle.

My problem with the gay lifestyle is simple (at least I think it is simple). Azzan, you consider your lifestyle or choice natural. You feel you were born this way, and that confirms your feeling about being gay.

A natural choice should confirm a natural response or reaction. For instance, the Sun is the Sun because it is warm, provides light, and helps our planet to grow food to sustain life. The Sun would not be the Sun if it didn't provide us these benefits, at least on Planet Earth where humans exist. We expect the Sun to perform and do its duty from a natural standpoint.

If the Sun leaves these natural boundaries, we die. When people leave natural boundaries, we die.

Without becoming too graphic here, when the gay agenda is revealed in honesty, the male organ does not belong where gay men put "It". Many gay men require diapers, surgery, and have a great deal of infection in their urinary tract from using the anis for sexual pleasure. Also, sperm is meant for the vagina of a woman where life is produced. Once people leave the natural sexual function of a man and a woman, problems are not only obvious, they are unnatural and unscientific.

If a gay person decided to live with the same gender without having sex, I could see that as being a productive lifestyle for some. But once sex is brought into the picture, I'm sorry, but I don't see that as being of a natural affection.

Thank you. Would you be surprised to know that I don't think homosexuality is the preferred condition?

The first sentence of your last paragraph is quite interesting. I wonder how others here feel about your statement?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Azzan

Thank you. Would you be surprised to know that I don't think homosexuality is the preferred condition?

The first sentence of your last paragraph is quite interesting. I wonder how others here feel about your statement?

I'd be interested as well, although I think I know what most would think. But I, personally, wouldn't automatically oppose.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I'm coming in late on this conversation, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating what someone else may have already said.

First, I have gay friends and over the years I have tried my best to understand their take on the gay agenda. I'm 50 years old, and at this age many of us become more sympathetic or merciful to those whom we considered wrong in the past. Our own mistakes bring about humility in regards to situations like this and I have honestly tried to understand the homosexual lifestyle.

My problem with the gay lifestyle is simple (at least I think it is simple). Azzan, you consider your lifestyle or choice natural. You feel you were born this way, and that confirms your feeling about being gay.

A natural choice should confirm a natural response or reaction. For instance, the Sun is the Sun because it is warm, provides light, and helps our planet to grow food to sustain life. The Sun would not be the Sun if it didn't provide us these benefits, at least on Planet Earth where humans exist. We expect the Sun to perform and do its duty from a natural standpoint.

If the Sun leaves these natural boundaries, we die. When people leave natural boundaries, we die.

Without becoming too graphic here, when the gay agenda is revealed in honesty, the male organ does not belong where gay men put "It". Many gay men require diapers, surgery, and have a great deal of infection in their urinary tract from using the anis for sexual pleasure. Also, sperm is meant for the vagina of a woman where life is produced. Once people leave the natural sexual function of a man and a woman, problems are not only obvious, they are unnatural and unscientific.

If a gay person decided to live with the same gender without having sex, I could see that as being a productive lifestyle for some. But once sex is brought into the picture, I'm sorry, but I don't see that as being of a natural affection.

That's correct. Aside from what morality we accept from Christianity, it's hard to see it as natural. In no circumstances is there reproduction. There's no life in it. Someone who puts things together could look at males and females and no what parts go where. It's "plain" to us (Rom 1 drive-by reference)

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

I'm coming in late on this conversation, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating what someone else may have already said.

First, I have gay friends and over the years I have tried my best to understand their take on the gay agenda. I'm 50 years old, and at this age many of us become more sympathetic or merciful to those whom we considered wrong in the past. Our own mistakes bring about humility in regards to situations like this and I have honestly tried to understand the homosexual lifestyle.

My problem with the gay lifestyle is simple (at least I think it is simple). Azzan, you consider your lifestyle or choice natural. You feel you were born this way, and that confirms your feeling about being gay.

A natural choice should confirm a natural response or reaction. For instance, the Sun is the Sun because it is warm, provides light, and helps our planet to grow food to sustain life. The Sun would not be the Sun if it didn't provide us these benefits, at least on Planet Earth where humans exist. We expect the Sun to perform and do its duty from a natural standpoint.

If the Sun leaves these natural boundaries, we die. When people leave natural boundaries, we die.

Without becoming too graphic here, when the gay agenda is revealed in honesty, the male organ does not belong where gay men put "It". Many gay men require diapers, surgery, and have a great deal of infection in their urinary tract from using the anis for sexual pleasure. Also, sperm is meant for the vagina of a woman where life is produced. Once people leave the natural sexual function of a man and a woman, problems are not only obvious, they are unnatural and unscientific.

If a gay person decided to live with the same gender without having sex, I could see that as being a productive lifestyle for some. But once sex is brought into the picture, I'm sorry, but I don't see that as being of a natural affection.

Good post.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Good post.

Don't know if anyone remembers the Surgeon General under Reagan, E. Everett Koop and how he got HAMMERED 25 years ago for saying the same things in a public forum?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Don't know if anyone remembers the Surgeon General under Reagan, E. Everett Koop and how he got HAMMERED 25 years ago for saying the same things in a public forum?

I wouldn't remember that; 25 years ago I was only 9.