Has evolutionism become a leading religion?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Even if the earth was created by God about 10,000 years ago, that doesn't mean the earth isn't billions of years old...

Now before you call me crazy, seriously think about what I am saying...

Ok...I tried. It makes my brain hurt. Maybe the Asgard used their time dilation device to slow down time on the earth?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok...I tried. It makes my brain hurt. Maybe the Asgard used their time dilation device to slow down time on the earth?

Stargate reference

So the question is how can God create the earth 10,000 years ago but the earth also be billions of years old? It is my opinion that God is not limited to only being able to create objects with the appearance of age. It is my opinion that God is able to create objects with an actual age. What is the difference?

Well the most striking difference is that objects with an appearance of age are lacking some vital history. For example: if God created a woman with the appearance of being 20 years old then that woman would not have parents and thus we could tell that she only appeared to be 20 years old. Another thing we would notice is that she wouldn't have a birthdate since she was never born. There would also be no records of her birth anywhere. She would be quite an abnormal woman with all of the history she was lacking.

Now consider a similar example except this time imagine God created a woman that was actually 20 years old. By actually being 20 years old this woman would have to have parents, a date of birth, a place of birth, a doctor and nurses that delivered her, and also many other things. But if God just created her how would she have these other things like a date of birth and parents? Well, God would have to create those other things at the same moment he created her. Except he would have to literally create them in such a way that things like her parents would have been on earth before her even though he is creating both of them at the same moment.

Thus the difference is that something with actual age has a complete history. Something with an appearance of age will not have a complete history. So God can create an object with a complete history at any time, he just has to go in and create its history at the same time he's creating it.

It is my opinion that the earth itself has an actual age. It is my opinoin that it has a complete history. For example: we know the "mother and father" of the hawaiian islands. They were created by volcanoes. However, we don't have a birthdate. The only date we have comes through extrapolation and extrapolation can never tell us whether something is apparent or actual because extrapolation is based only on the appearance of an object. So we can't say conclusively that the hawaiian islands are actually old and not just apparently old. That doesn't mean the hawaiian islands don't have a birthdate though.

I said all that to say this. Given the above reasoning and examples why is it impossible to think that God created a universe 10,000 years ago, but went back and filled in ALL its history over the last few billion years. And if he did that why would it be wrong to say the universe is 4 billion years old even though creation only happented 10,000 years ago?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Thus the difference is that something with actual age has a complete history. Something with an appearance of age will not have a complete history. So God can create an object with a complete history at any time, he just has to go in and create its history at the same time he's creating it.

Just another clever attempt to marry Biblical creation to evolution. However billions of years remain missing from the Biblical creation account, because despite human philosphy, God still did it in six days, just like He said.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Just another clever attempt to marry Biblical creation to evolution. However billions of years remain missing from the Biblical creation account, because despite human philosphy, God still did it in six days, just like He said.

And my explanation allows for a literal 6 day creation just like you want and for the earth to be billions of years old like it is.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

And my explanation allows for a literal 6 day creation just like you want and for the earth to be billions of years old like it is.

And accounts for scientific data Jason knows nothing about but claims doesn't really exist

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And accounts for scientific data Jason knows nothing about but claims doesn't really exist

Sounds like you are a know it all.
Where you an attendent at Creation?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by jfrog

And my explanation allows for a literal 6 day creation just like you want and for the earth to be billions of years old like it is.

Right, I caught that. But since there isn't billions of years in Genesis 1, all you did was cram evolutionary guesswork into Genesis, and THEN accept what the Bible says.

IF God is able to speak something into existence, which by all accounts He can, then why is it so difficult for some of you guys as Christians (I'd understand why if you didn't consider yourselves Christians) to accept what the Bible very plainly says?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Right, I caught that. But since there isn't billions of years in Genesis 1, all you did was cram evolutionary guesswork into Genesis, and THEN accept what the Bible says.

IF God is able to speak something into existence, which by all accounts He can, then why is it so difficult for some of you guys as Christians (I'd understand why if you didn't consider yourselves Christians) to accept what the Bible very plainly says?

Good observation Jason. There isn't anything about the age of the earth in Genesis 1. It simply doesn't say the earth is old nor does it say that the earth is young. So nice try in saying I'm trying to cram evolotion into it. You are the one trying to cram a 10,000 year old earth with no evolution into Genesis 1. I just pointed out that it is possible to read Genesis 1 in a way that allows for an old earth and for evolution and a young creation all at once. But you reject that possibility? Why? I can tell why you reject it. You reject the possibility for the sole reason that such a possibility doesn't allow you to cram your 10000 year old earth with no evolution into Genesis as absolute fact. You reject the possibility that my explanation could be right because that would mean you might have been wrong all this time. But heck, I'm not asking you to believe my explanation, all I am asking you to do is to consider it as a possibility and not to condemn others for as long as it remains a possibility.

By the way Jason, if God is able to speak a 4 billion year old world into existence then why is it hard for you to believe and accept what the bible AND nature very plainly tell us: that the earth is billions of years old, that God created it in 6 days and that he could have created it any number of years ago?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Good observation Jason. There isn't anything about the age of the earth in Genesis 1. It simply doesn't say the earth is old nor does it say that the earth is young. So nice try in saying I'm trying to cram evolotion into it. You are the one trying to cram a 10,000 year old earth with no evolution into Genesis 1. I just pointed out that it is possible to read Genesis 1 in a way that allows for an old earth and for evolution and a young creation all at once. But you reject that possibility? Why? I can tell why you reject it. You reject the possibility for the sole reason that such a possibility doesn't allow you to cram your 10000 year old earth with no evolution into Genesis as absolute fact. You reject the possibility that my explanation could be right because that would mean you might have been wrong all this time. But heck, I'm not asking you to believe my explanation, all I am asking you to do is to consider it as a possibility and not to condemn others for as long as it remains a possibility.

By the way Jason, if God is able to speak a 4 billion year old world into existence then why is it hard for you to believe and accept what the bible AND nature very plainly tell us: that the earth is billions of years old, that God created it in 6 days and that he could have created it any number of years ago?

17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

It is easy to use biblical facts to expose deception. Jfrog can't reconcile the notion of Adam's age when he was created on the 6th day with Genesis and Exodus chapter 31.

The old earth false teachers avoid biblical interpretation

You goofy evolutionists spend more tiime accusing God of cramming than God spent creating.

You are terrified at the thought that God could do all of creation in six days and be given the Golry for having His creation stopry handed down to us in writing.

Your false gods couldn't get the multibillion year crammed into a written record for some reason.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Good observation Jason. There isn't anything about the age of the earth in Genesis 1. It simply doesn't say the earth is old nor does it say that the earth is young. So nice try in saying I'm trying to cram evolotion into it.

creationism doesnt have to cram anything, we just take Gen 1, Gen 5, Exodus 20 at its plain and simple reading.