NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Why do y'all think Jesus was baptized?

For the remission of his sins.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Adam

For the remission of his sins.

You know, if that's what baptism were for, that's why He would have been baptized, but since Christ was sinless, he must have been baptized for another reason!! Actually, the bible specifically says why he was baptized. Jesus told John the Baptist exactly why.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

You know, if that's what baptism were for, that's why He would have been baptized, but since Christ was sinless, he must have been baptized for another reason!! Actually, the bible specifically says why he was baptized. Jesus told John the Baptist exactly why.

True. "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him." He was without the Spirit before being baptised. Therefore, he was a sinful man, just like any other man. He repented, was baptised, given the Spirit, then he was able to begin his ministry. Even afterwards he took a whip and threatened to kill people with it. So, I'm not so sure he was saved even after baptism. Perhaps that's why he spent so much time in the Garden of Gethsemane praying, asking God to forgive him for the sins he had committed that day.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Adam

True. "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him." He was without the Spirit before being baptised. Therefore, he was a sinful man, just like any other man. He repented, was baptised, given the Spirit, then he was able to begin his ministry. Even afterwards he took a whip and threatened to kill people with it. So, I'm not so sure he was saved even after baptism. Perhaps that's why he spent so much time in the Garden of Gethsemane praying, asking God to forgive him for the sins he had committed that day.

The Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove....I don't believe that's any indication he was sinful.

Are you saying Jesus wasn't sinless?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

The Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove....I don't believe that's any indication he was sinful.

Are you saying Jesus wasn't sinless?

He was a man, he had to have made some error in his lifetime. He had all power, a miracle worker, could have struck us all dead, but gave it all up to hang on the cross. That was his sacrifice. That is what perfected him.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Adam

He was a man, he had to have made some error in his lifetime. He had all power, a miracle worker, could have struck us all dead, but gave it all up to hang on the cross. That was his sacrifice. That is what perfected him.

Negative. He was perfect, because he was God himself as well as man.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Negative. He was perfect, because he was God himself as well as man.

Actually, I was wrong, he was not yet perfected until he ascended into heaven.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Adam

He was a man, he had to have made some error in his lifetime. He had all power, a miracle worker, could have struck us all dead, but gave it all up to hang on the cross. That was his sacrifice. That is what perfected him.

I Peter 2:22 He never sinned, and he never deceived anyone.


I Peter 2:23 He did not retaliate when he was insulted. When he suffered, he did not threaten to get even. He left his case in the hands of God, who always judges fairly.


II Corinthians 5:21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I Peter 2:23 He did not retaliate when he was insulted.

Oh yes he did. That whip thing. Remember? I suppose Peter just forgot.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Are you saying Jesus wasn't sinless?

Do you think taking a whip and threatening people with it is perfectly ok behavior?