This is a great Thread. This is what Religion has done to our World. The issue of knowing God and being saved has become a complicated mess.
Man made Religion and Temples built with hands of flesh.
God made Creation as the sufficient form of habitat to keep and sustain Man, physically and spiritually.
Until people return to the mountain or garden to pray, the list of "To Do's" will grow. It's kind of like buying land. Thousands of years ago, the "To Do's" were simple. Today, the stack of papers to sign and the complicated process is enough to confuse the best.
Religion today has become overrun with "Spiritual Attorneys", creating the Vortex of Law that has unleashed the never ending trail of another Idea and papers to sign.
If we don't simplify Faith, the World will become doomed by concepts formed in the Halls of Salvational litigation.
This is a great Thread. This is what Religion has done to our World. The issue of knowing God and being saved has become a complicated mess.
Man made Religion and Temples built with hands of flesh.
God made Creation as the sufficient form of habitat to keep and sustain Man, physically and spiritually.
Until people return to the mountain or garden to pray, the list of "To Do's" will grow. It's kind of like buying land. Thousands of years ago, the "To Do's" were simple. Today, the stack of papers to sign and the complicated process is enough to confuse the best.
Religion today has become overrun with "Spiritual Attorneys", creating the Vortex of Law that has unleashed the never ending trail of another Idea and papers to sign.
If we don't simplify Faith, the World will become doomed by concepts formed in the Halls of Salvation litigation.
NFS, the problem with this is that many of us are very much for simplification, but what we see is deconstruction.
I no issue with stripping off the varnish and getting back to the basics. But when you rip up the floorboards, jack hammer the concrete and smile about walking around on a dirt floor, you have lost me.
In cooking the terms ‘simplification’ and ‘deconstruction’ have interesting connotations. The former, means taking away the complexity and letting the main ingredient shin. With the latter, you break down the dish to its raw ingredients, then put it back together in such a way that the original classic is only vaguely recognizable. THIS is what a lot of us Oneness Pentecostals see happening with this Neo-PCI movement.
I like simplification.
I have no use for spiritual deconstruction.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
it is enough that we walk along trying to get to the same place. I am at peace with my belief as well as with you....
and as for that question about who says... I do... when I read it, the question is asked "what shall we do".
being a simple man, when an answer is provided to a question. I take it at face value.
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Originally Posted by Ferd
NFS, the problem with this is that many of us are very much for simplification, but what we see is deconstruction.
I no issue with stripping off the varnish and getting back to the basics. But when you rip up the floorboards, jack hammer the concrete and smile about walking around on a dirt floor, you have lost me.
In cooking the terms ‘simplification’ and ‘deconstruction’ have interesting connotations. The former, means taking away the complexity and letting the main ingredient shin. With the latter, you break down the dish to its raw ingredients, then put it back together in such a way that the original classic is only vaguely recognizable. THIS is what a lot of us Oneness Pentecostals see happening with this Neo-PCI movement.
I like simplification.
I have no use for spiritual deconstruction.
NFS, the problem with this is that many of us are very much for simplification, but what we see is deconstruction.
I no issue with stripping off the varnish and getting back to the basics. But when you rip up the floorboards, jack hammer the concrete and smile about walking around on a dirt floor, you have lost me.
In cooking the terms ‘simplification’ and ‘deconstruction’ have interesting connotations. The former, means taking away the complexity and letting the main ingredient shin. With the latter, you break down the dish to its raw ingredients, then put it back together in such a way that the original classic is only vaguely recognizable. THIS is what a lot of us Oneness Pentecostals see happening with this Neo-PCI movement.
I like simplification.
I have no use for spiritual deconstruction.
Modern Church does not simplify God; it has only created the firestorm of competition and more ideas that only lead to more ideas.
When Jesus retired to find depth, it was on the Mountain and in the Garden where God's Will flourished.
Sorry Ferd, but God never erected one building. We run to buildings, but God made other ways and means for us to understand Him.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
Ever since Man has tried to put God into a house made with hands, the confusion of Religion has plagued this Planet.
Modern Church does not simplify God; it has only created the firestorm of competition and more ideas that only lead to more ideas.
When Jesus retired to find depth, it was on the Mountain and in the Garden where God's Will flourished.
Sorry Ferd, but God never erected one building. We run to buildings, but God made other ways and means for us to understand Him.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
Ever since Man has tried to put God into a house made with hands, the confusion of Religion has plagued this Planet.
I love ya bro. but you are so enamored with your concepts and platitudes about simplification and how bad “modern church” is (whatever that is) that you cannot begin to grasp some very basic realities.
First of all. The Church, has always been opposed by the majority of people. 11 of the first 12 (12 of the first 13 if you count Paul) got killed for preaching the Gospel. Number 12 (or 13 depending on your count) got exiled to a prison island to finish out his days.
It was your 3rd century relevancy peeps that turned Christianity into a compromised pseudo-pagan strange watered down multi-singular-god faith that gave us the dark ages.
Jesus didn’t build any buildings but he did fast 40 days… try to get your sheep to do that and let’s find out what they like and dislike. He did give his followers “what for” when they slept thru his agony in Gethsemane. Have you held any blood-sweat all night prayer meetings lately? Great googly moogly, when was the last time ANYBODY washed someone’s feet?
Get real bro. you just have a list of things you are personally comfortable with and that is what you do. The rest is “complicated religion”.
That ain’t “simplification” that is picking and chosing.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I love ya bro. but you are so enamored with your concepts and platitudes about simplification and how bad “modern church” is (whatever that is) that you cannot begin to grasp some very basic realities.
First of all. The Church, has always been opposed by the majority of people. 11 of the first 12 (12 of the first 13 if you count Paul) got killed for preaching the Gospel. Number 12 (or 13 depending on your count) got exiled to a prison island to finish out his days.
It was your 3rd century relevancy peeps that turned Christianity into a compromised pseudo-pagan strange watered down multi-singular-god faith that gave us the dark ages.
Jesus didn’t build any buildings but he did fast 40 days… try to get your sheep to do that and let’s find out what they like and dislike. He did give his followers “what for” when they slept thru his agony in Gethsemane. Have you held any blood-sweat all night prayer meetings lately? Great googly moogly, when was the last time ANYBODY washed someone’s feet?
Get real bro. you just have a list of things you are personally comfortable with and that is what you do. The rest is “complicated religion”.
That ain’t “simplification” that is picking and chosing.
Buildings bring God into the bondage of a manmade euphoria. The Modern Church today has become an elaborate entertainment center. Stages, sound systems, dress style, performance preaching, all this and more have created a falsified report and altars of fantasy.
Concepts develop within this manufactured environment that not only drift from God's Ultimate and initial plan for Mankind, they produce the greatest form of walking human hypocrisy on this Earth.
Ferd, your shallow approach to Faith is a total veer from reality. The Church has just as many problems as the World does, and locking people behind the bars of ORGANIZED FAITH has destroyed actual Faith by over-dogmatic and imprisoned ideas about being saved.
If Jesus was committed to "Kingdom Building", which is what Organized Religion is, He would have gladly accepted a Crown, a House, and those who ran such institutions. Instead, he drew into the Temple to overthrow tables, condemning those who ran these artificial Faces of God.
Buildings bring God into the bondage of a manmade euphoria. The Modern Church today has become an elaborate entertainment center. Stages, sound systems, dress style, performance preaching, all this and more have created a falsified report and altars of fantasy.
Concepts develop within this manufactured environment that not only drift from God's Ultimate and initial plan for Mankind, they produce the greatest form of walking human hypocrisy on this Earth.
Ferd, your shallow approach to Faith is a total veer from reality. The Church has just as many problems as the World does, and locking people behind the bars of ORGANIZED FAITH has destroyed actual Faith by over-dogmatic and imprisoned ideas about being saved.
If Jesus was committed to "Kingdom Building", which is what Organized Religion is, He would have gladly accepted a Crown, a House, and those who ran such institutions. Instead, he drew into the Temple to overthrow tables, condemning those who ran these artificial Faces of God.
down here in the south we call this kind of diatribe a personal manifesto. The Unibomber had one of those.
and son, you need to know a few things about me before suggesting my faith was shallow. I love you and I honestly hope you achieve all the things in Christ you want to! Be Blessed!
Pray with me that our church gets it CO so we can move into our brand spanking new multi-million dollar church! Its gonna be awesome!
PS I will post pictures really soon!
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
down here in the south we call this kind of diatribe a personal manifesto. The Unibomber had one of those.
and son, you need to know a few things about me before suggesting my faith was shallow. I love you and I honestly hope you achieve all the things in Christ you want to! Be Blessed!
Pray with me that our church gets it CO so we can move into our brand spanking new multi-million dollar church! Its gonna be awesome!
PS I will post pictures really soon!
Ferd, you seem to only be able to answer dialogue with diatribe. No substance here at all, just trash-talking. Silly.
Buildings bring God into the bondage of a manmade euphoria. The Modern Church today has become an elaborate entertainment center. Stages, sound systems, dress style, performance preaching, all this and more have created a falsified report and altars of fantasy.
Concepts develop within this manufactured environment that not only drift from God's Ultimate and initial plan for Mankind, they produce the greatest form of walking human hypocrisy on this Earth.
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Hey, chill out.
You're talking about a large religious, political organization that many love.
Hybrid Mode
