Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh yea'...wanted to also point out that the Greek term for "poor" in Js. denotes a "beggar" according to Vine's, Strong's, Thayer, etc. So, tell us, MissBrattifield [how fitting]......were the early Christians in the church "beggars" ??

Hmmmm, I thought I read where David said that he's never seen God's children [His seed] "B-E-G-G-I-N-G for bread"! So, yes, both the beggar & man w/ the gold ring were outsiders...just as I said originally. With all thy learning, get understanding!

Wow. Sometimes you show moments of great competence, and then it's all deducted away when you say things like this, RDP.

Are you suggesting the correct word for our English translation in the passage is "beggar" because that's one of those "denotations?" Seriously? And are you suggesting that none of God's children has ever been so poor they've had to beg for money? Have you been to Africa, Bro. RDP?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Wow. Sometimes you show moments of great competence, and then it's all deducted away when you say things like this, RDP.

"Incompetence indeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed"....keep reading.

Are you suggesting the correct word for our English translation in the passage is "beggar" because that's one of those "denotations?" Seriously? And are you suggesting that none of God's children has ever been so poor they've had to beg for money? Have you been to Africa, Bro. RDP?

I see, so anomalies [Africa] set the precedent for the norm eh' Max!?!? You folks on here should honestly invest some-time in the study of formal logical fallacies...you commit them all the time, as exemplified here.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

I see, so anomalies [Africa] set the precedent for the norm eh' Max!?!? You folks on here should honestly invest some-time in the study of formal logical fallacies...you commit them all the time, as exemplified here.

More than 80% of the world lives in poverty. I'd hardly consider that an anomaly. And an entire continent, if we considered only Africa, is hardly an anomaly. What a racist thing to say.

Throwing out Logic 101 terms does not help your argument, my friend.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

More than 80% of the world lives in poverty. I'd hardly consider that an anomaly. And an entire continent, if we considered only Africa, is hardly an anomaly. What a racist thing to say.

Throwing out Logic 101 terms does not help your argument, my friend.

We're not talking about the world in general now are we? What a subtle shift, which you'll not pass off on me. We're discussing Christians as a whole. I certainly understand that there are some Christians who live in poverty [such as the Messiah even], but we're talking about Christian beggars. Yes, you need lessons in logical fallacies.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

We're not talking about the world in general now are we? What a subtle shift, which you'll not pass off on me. We're discussing Christians as a whole. I certainly understand that there are some Christians who live in poverty [such as the Messiah even], but we're talking about Christian beggars. Yes, you need lessons in logical fallacies.

The only logical fallacy here is the obnoxious throwing around of logical phrases you do in each post.

Christians as a whole, consist of nations as a whole. The largest Christian communities exist in Africa, South Korea, etc. Of course, maybe the Scriptures mean "people who speak in tongues, stop cutting their hair, don't wear make-up and wear bhurka's" won't beg

Of course this is all so silly since the language in Psalms is not literal, but quite poetic. The meaning we can get is more "I've never seen a believer abandoned" -- and the next part is actually about his "seed"! Another poetic phrase that would make sense to a Hebrew audience, the dignity and pride of generations, etc. Either way, the man "not begging for bread" is the seed of the righteous person in Psalm 37. If you want to apply a literal sponge on a genre of literature that is not literal, you have just made this whole situation a lot more complex... as always

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

The only logical fallacy here is the obnoxious throwing around of logical phrases you do in each post.

Christians as a whole, consist of nations as a whole. The largest Christian communities exist in Africa, South Korea, etc. Of course, maybe the Scriptures mean "people who speak in tongues, stop cutting their hair, don't wear make-up and wear bhurka's" won't beg

Of course this is all so silly since the language in Psalms is not literal, but quite poetic. The meaning we can get is more "I've never seen a believer abandoned" -- and the next part is actually about his "seed"! Another poetic phrase that would make sense to a Hebrew audience, the dignity and pride of generations, etc. Either way, the man "not begging for bread" is the seed of the righteous person in Psalm 37. If you want to apply a literal sponge on a genre of literature that is not literal, you have just made this whole situation a lot more complex... as always

How typical....allegorize Scripture so it fits your theology. Hmmm, maybe we should now start doing the same w/ verses about faith, repentance, etc. "Full well you make the word of God of no affect that you may keep your own traditions".....such as women cutting their hair, wedding bands, etc. ad nauseum.

Then, you wanna' talk to ME about proper hermenutics???? Spare me.....I believe the Bible, ya' oughta' try it sometime...it's quite liberating from the opinions of men!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

How typical....allegorize Scripture so it fits your theology. Hmmm, maybe we should now start doing the same w/ verses about faith, repentance, etc. "Full well you make the word of God of no affect that you may keep your own traditions".....such as women cutting their hair, wedding bands, etc. ad nauseum.

Then, you wanna' talk to ME about proper hermenutics???? Spare me.....I believe the Bible, ya' oughta' try it sometime...it's quite liberating from the opinions of men!

Allegorize? You use words like "exegete" quite often and you accuse what I just said of "allegorizing" scripture? Do you not believe that the literary devices used in scripture range from narrative, poetry, allegory, parable, monologues, dialogues, etc? I'm not quite sure what to make of your accusations and subsequent hysteria.

If you believe the Bible, you should understand what the Bible is. It didn't get literally barfed from God's mouth into your lap. There's some reality there waiting to be discovered -- and it will help you to know how to read and use it.