Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rdp

Oh yea'...wanted to also point out that the Greek term for "poor" in Js. denotes a "beggar" according to Vine's, Strong's, Thayer, etc. So, tell us, MissBrattifield [how fitting]......were the early Christians in the church "beggars" ??

rdp -

You do realize you make very little sense, right?

The meaning of the word "poor [man]" from Strong's:

From πτώσσω ptōssō (to crouch; akin to G4422 and the alternate of G4098); a beggar (as cringing), that is, pauper (strictly denoting absolute or public mendicancy, although also used in a qualified or relative sense; whereas G3993 properly means only straitened circumstances in private), literally (often as noun) or figuratively (distressed): - beggar (-ly), poor.

As you can see, it could literally mean a beggar (as in, someone homeless and begging for meals on the streets), or it could refer to someone who is simply poor.

By the way, since "public mendicancy" means "dependent on alms for sustenance", and we have a lot of Christians on the public dole, e.g., WELFARE, I'd say we DO have a lot of beggars in the church, at least in THAT sense of the word.

Hmmmm, I thought I read where David said that he's never seen God's children [His seed] "B-E-G-G-I-N-G for bread"! So, yes, both the beggar & man w/ the gold ring were outsiders...just as I said originally. With all thy learning, get understanding!

I assure you that I have known of Christians who went hungry. It only takes a minuscule amount of research to find cases of Christians over the centuries who have not only been without food, but without shelter and other basic necessities. Some have even lost their lives.

If you haven't heard of anything like that, I suggest you take to reading more than the Sunday comics.

By the way, it's MissBrattiFIED; not MissBrattifield. And here we're supposed to trust your ability to decipher plain text.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

rdp -

You do realize you make very little sense, right?

Ho-Hum...where to begin? Think I'll start w/ the obvious: Ad hominem [go "decipher" that, since you apparently are not familiar w/ logical fallacies] scorn does not serve as evidence.

The meaning of the word "poor [man]" from Strong's:

From πτώσσω ptōssō (to crouch; akin to G4422 and the alternate of G4098); a beggar (as cringing), that is, pauper (strictly denoting absolute or public mendicancy, although also used in a qualified or relative sense; whereas G3993 properly means only straitened circumstances in private), literally (often as noun) or figuratively (distressed): - beggar (-ly), poor.

As you can see, it could literally mean a beggar (as in, someone homeless and begging for meals on the streets), or it could refer to someone who is simply poor.

Ahhh yes, the ol' Strongs that simply gives every possible meaning of the word under consideration. Ya' know, you folks are terrible wanting in the area of Koine' Greek grammar...if you even know what that is. Oh yea', I like how you prefer the alternate meaning to the "literal" definition ! Why am I not surprised?

By the way, since "public mendicancy" means "dependent on alms for sustenance", and we have a lot of Christians on the public dole, e.g., WELFARE, I'd say we DO have a lot of beggars in the church, at least in THAT sense of the word.

More twisting here than a Chubby Checker tribute! "Christians," should work if able [see II Thess.....but put your typical eraser down when you do]], if not able, then this would be an anomaly...which NEVER sets the precedent for the normative situations. Man...you guys are unbelievably ignorant of proper academia, which, of course, is why you believe the way you do!



I assure you that I have known of Christians who went hungry. It only takes a minuscule amount of research to find cases of Christians over the centuries who have not only been without food, but without shelter and other basic necessities. Some have even lost their lives.

I simply quote from Psalms....& now you've relegated the quotation to me asserting that Christians have never went hungry????? Wow, what theological leap-frog! Since you assume that I've stated this, surely you should have no problem validating your assumption thru a cut & paste...right? So, here's your chance:___________? Those pesky unfillable blanks !

If you haven't heard of anything like that, I suggest you take to reading more than the Sunday comics.

By the way, it's MissBrattiFIED; not MissBrattifield. And here we're supposed to trust your ability to decipher plain text.

Never asked you to trust my ability to decipher the plain text. In fact, all ya' have to do is turn to I Tim. 2 & read it for yourself! Here, let me help you out: "N-O-T with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." Can you "decipher" that ?

O' & by the way, if you've ever commited a typo, then should we "trust your ability' as well? Thus, what you charge me w/....you yourself are guilty of! Ho- Hum......gotta' go, got grown up things to do now!