Can church be bad for your health?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

coadie

Is he one of those who thinks all counselors are bad?

I don't. But, they are like good pastors, probably. Kinda hard to find.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by ILG

Is he one of those who thinks all counselors are bad?

I don't. But, they are like good pastors, probably. Kinda hard to find.

It is funny you say that. Many pastors are surprised at how much counseling they are called to do and how un prepared they are for it. I see them as relevant in many cases for counseling.

Billy Graham said if a husband and wife seriously prayed together and sought answers from the Lord together, the divorce rate would be about 1 in 400.

I know about a dozen counselors that are healthy and competant and one of the best is a friend of my pastor. Out of that dozen, i can't tell you how successfull they are regarding desired outcomes. I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well, mess up, get off on tangents that are irrelevant to what they are trying to treat or some other maladaptive pattern. Like the dean of my school said. The difference between a psychologist and the patient is the psychologist has "keys".

He was one of the rare, normal and solid few that I know that is competant.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by coadie

It is funny you say that. Many pastors are surprised at how much counseling they are called to do and how un prepared they are for it. I see them as relevant in many cases for counseling.

Billy Graham said if a husband and wife seriously prayed together and sought answers from the Lord together, the divorce rate would be about 1 in 400.

I know about a dozen counselors that are healthy and competant and one of the best is a friend of my pastor. Out of that dozen, i can't tell you how successfull they are regarding desired outcomes. I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well, mess up, get off on tangents that are irrelevant to what they are trying to treat or some other maladaptive pattern. Like the dean of my school said. The difference between a psychologist and the patient is the psychologist has "keys".

He was one of the rare, normal and solid few that I know that is competant.

Pastors can't legally counsel unless they are a licensed counselor. They "give advice". However, most people listen to a pastor before they listen to a counselor. I see both as having been trained by a system and both might be willing to give advice just and good or bad as the other.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by ILG

Pastors can't legally counsel unless they are a licensed counselor. They "give advice". However, most people listen to a pastor before they listen to a counselor. I see both as having been trained by a system and both might be willing to give advice just and good or bad as the other.

You have to be licensed to get reimbursement.
Rabbi's don't have to do Med school for circumcisions either.
There are lots of counseling jobs in jails, substance abuse, schools, churches and other applications that have not passed state board exams.

A Minnesota court ruled that it was barred by the first amendment from resolving a man's claim that his church and a denominational agency were responsible for the negligent counseling of his pastor that led to the breakdown of his marriage

Pastors have to abide by ethics rules and avoind misconduct. The states don't get very involved with church counseling.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by coadie

You have to be licensed to get reimbursement.
Rabbi's don't have to do Med school for circumcisions either.
There are lots of counseling jobs in jails, substance abuse, schools, churches and other applications that have not passed state board exams.



Pastors have to abide by ethics rules and avoind misconduct. The states don't get very involved with church counseling.

No. As a co-pastor, I could not counsel. As a domestic violence advocate (doesn't that just sound wrong???) I could not counsel.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by coadie

It is funny you say that. Many pastors are surprised at how much counseling they are called to do and how un prepared they are for it. I see them as relevant in many cases for counseling.

Billy Graham said if a husband and wife seriously prayed together and sought answers from the Lord together, the divorce rate would be about 1 in 400.

I know about a dozen counselors that are healthy and competant and one of the best is a friend of my pastor. Out of that dozen, i can't tell you how successfull they are regarding desired outcomes. I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well, mess up, get off on tangents that are irrelevant to what they are trying to treat or some other maladaptive pattern. Like the dean of my school said. The difference between a psychologist and the patient is the psychologist has "keys".

He was one of the rare, normal and solid few that I know that is competant.

So, you personally know 120 counselors? I find that a bit of a stretch.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

So, you personally know 120 counselors? I find that a bit of a stretch.

How do you get that outta a dozen?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Berkley

How do you get that outta a dozen?

He said "I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well" - so 12 x 10 = 120.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

He said "I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well" - so 12 x 10 = 120.

Actually, it would be 132 - - he knows a dozen that are good and times times that many that aren't.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

He said "I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well" - so 12 x 10 = 120.

Counselors or pastors that counsel poorly?