Can church be bad for your health? - Page 8

ILG · #71 11-08-2010, 01:37 PM

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coadie

Is he one of those who thinks all counselors are bad?

I don't. But, they are like good pastors, probably. Kinda hard to find.

berkeley · #72 11-08-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Preachin can really mess with moral health issues.

Take some Prozac to cope with feelings of guilt.

Nobody is discussing moral health issues, you jerk. [Some] preachers make you feel guillty for every little thing that you do that doesn't please the preacher. Every service his preaching makes you feel like you're dangling over the pits of hell.It stems from your works based salvation

coadie · #73 11-08-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Is he one of those who thinks all counselors are bad?

I don't. But, they are like good pastors, probably. Kinda hard to find.

It is funny you say that. Many pastors are surprised at how much counseling they are called to do and how un prepared they are for it. I see them as relevant in many cases for counseling.

Billy Graham said if a husband and wife seriously prayed together and sought answers from the Lord together, the divorce rate would be about 1 in 400.

I know about a dozen counselors that are healthy and competant and one of the best is a friend of my pastor. Out of that dozen, i can't tell you how successfull they are regarding desired outcomes. I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well, mess up, get off on tangents that are irrelevant to what they are trying to treat or some other maladaptive pattern. Like the dean of my school said. The difference between a psychologist and the patient is the psychologist has "keys".

He was one of the rare, normal and solid few that I know that is competant.

ILG · #74 11-08-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

It is funny you say that. Many pastors are surprised at how much counseling they are called to do and how un prepared they are for it. I see them as relevant in many cases for counseling.

Billy Graham said if a husband and wife seriously prayed together and sought answers from the Lord together, the divorce rate would be about 1 in 400.

I know about a dozen counselors that are healthy and competant and one of the best is a friend of my pastor. Out of that dozen, i can't tell you how successfull they are regarding desired outcomes. I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well, mess up, get off on tangents that are irrelevant to what they are trying to treat or some other maladaptive pattern. Like the dean of my school said. The difference between a psychologist and the patient is the psychologist has "keys".

He was one of the rare, normal and solid few that I know that is competant.

Pastors can't legally counsel unless they are a licensed counselor. They "give advice". However, most people listen to a pastor before they listen to a counselor. I see both as having been trained by a system and both might be willing to give advice just and good or bad as the other.

rgcraig · #75 11-08-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

It is funny you say that. Many pastors are surprised at how much counseling they are called to do and how un prepared they are for it. I see them as relevant in many cases for counseling.

Billy Graham said if a husband and wife seriously prayed together and sought answers from the Lord together, the divorce rate would be about 1 in 400.

I know about a dozen counselors that are healthy and competant and one of the best is a friend of my pastor. Out of that dozen, i can't tell you how successfull they are regarding desired outcomes. I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well, mess up, get off on tangents that are irrelevant to what they are trying to treat or some other maladaptive pattern. Like the dean of my school said. The difference between a psychologist and the patient is the psychologist has "keys".

He was one of the rare, normal and solid few that I know that is competant.

So, you personally know 120 counselors? I find that a bit of a stretch.

Azzan · #76 11-08-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

One of 3 was worthwhile? That is about the same rate of 1 out of 3 that find a psychotropic prescription helpfull. WE can't conduct tests that compare the results of "therapy" with just plain time healing some of these hurts.

I did not say 1 out of 3 was worthwhile. I said to took 3 tries to find a theraphist that I could work with - i.e. felt comfortable with, etc.

berkeley · #77 11-08-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

So, you personally know 120 counselors? I find that a bit of a stretch.

How do you get that outta a dozen?

rgcraig · #78 11-08-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkley

How do you get that outta a dozen?

He said "I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well" - so 12 x 10 = 120.

rgcraig · #79 11-08-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

He said "I could name over ten times that many that can't do counseling well" - so 12 x 10 = 120.

Actually, it would be 132 - - he knows a dozen that are good and times times that many that aren't.

Azzan · #80 11-08-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Exactly. And think of how much money you could be spending weeding out psychotherapists. You could take yourself a nice relaxing vacation.

I'm sure it is different for everyone, but for me, I could tell in 1 or 2 sessions whether I was going to able to work with a particular therapist or not.