Homosexuality ... How do the "Advocates" deal...

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

It does appear, and I agree with the opinion, that this is dealing with headship in the home. Again, how does the homosexual household deal with this?

I will use 2 ideas. One is role playing and the other is mimicry. When kids are studied in play time, they play roles they observed adults live. Our pastors boy is playing with drum sticks, preeching and trying to baptize various creatures.

One partner plays a role to attract the other partner but that creates attraction and doesn't fill their own needs. It gets a little complicated because large numbers of gays didn't mature out of healthy parental relationships. A distant dad or non existent dad is a common example. A young lad will be straight if raised by a dad to manhood. he can be like dad. If a boy is rejected, he may play out a fantasy with another male and never mature to manhood. He will more likely remain close to his mother.
Many lesbians have an unexplained hate for males. An outsider may see it as hurt and they hate males because they were rejected in a real or imagined way by daddy. It is a coping mechanism.

If I borrow an idea from Gary Smalley in Branson, the lack of attachment is often explained by uncovering their greatest fear. If a lesbian is fearing loss of a partner, they get tough, don't submit to prevent being hurt on the partner leaving as they always do. It becomes a predicted cycle.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by coadie

I will use 2 ideas. One is role playing and the other is mimicry. When kids are studied in play time, they play roles they observed adults live. Our pastors boy is playing with drum sticks, preeching and trying to baptize various creatures.

One partner plays a role to attract the other partner but that creates attraction and doesn't fill their own needs. It gets a little complicated because large numbers of gays didn't mature out of healthy parental relationships. A distant dad or non existent dad is a common example. A young lad will be straight if raised by a dad to manhood. he can be like dad. If a boy is rejected, he may play out a fantasy with another male and never mature to manhood. He will more likely remain close to his mother.
Many lesbians have an unexplained hate for males. An outsider may see it as hurt and they hate males because they were rejected in a real or imagined way by daddy. It is a coping mechanism.

If I borrow an idea from Gary Smalley in Branson, the lack of attachment is often explained by uncovering their greatest fear. If a lesbian is fearing loss of a partner, they get tough, don't submit to prevent being hurt on the partner leaving as they always do. It becomes a predicted cycle.

So are you saying that many homosexual men are that way from a disfunctional home?

Just trying to wrap my small brain around the discussion.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

So are you saying that many homosexual men are that way from a disfunctional home?

Just trying to wrap my small brain around the discussion.

Dr Nicolosi and Dr James Dobson both admit they have never councelled a gay male that could describe a good relationship with their father and a father that raised them to a manhoood he himself lived.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

Dr Nicolosi and Dr James Dobson both admit they have never councelled a gay male that could describe a good relationship with their father and a father that raised them to a manhoood he himself lived.

I respect Dr. Dobson (even though I've disagreed with his positions at times), but I would also like to hear what ALL counselors say. Dobson seems to be saying it's universal that all homosexuals have abusive childhoods.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by coadie

Dr Nicolosi and Dr James Dobson both admit they have never councelled a gay male that could describe a good relationship with their father and a father that raised them to a manhoood he himself lived.

Now that is interesting. I will have to check their resources. Do you have a link?

I believe that if we are going to help everyone, or do our best, that we must understand that there are more ingredients in these situations than just saying, Homosexuals, throw them away.

More and more I am seeing that the home structure is of utmost importance in the formation of men and women. The home discipline and home authority, within the realm of righteousness and truth, is more important than the traditional church scene.

Traditional Christianity had handed the responsibility of the family off to the church expecting the church to take care of what should be take care of in the home.

God help us all.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Now that is interesting. I will have to check their resources. Do you have a link?

I believe that if we are going to help everyone, or do our best, that we must understand that there are more ingredients in these situations than just saying, Homosexuals, throw them away.

More and more I am seeing that the home structure is of utmost importance in the formation of men and women. The home discipline and home authority, within the realm of righteousness and truth, is more important than the traditional church scene.

Traditional Christianity had handed the responsibility of the family off to the church expecting the church to take care of what should be take care of in the home.

God help us all.

Nicolosi is NARTH Dobson is Focus on the Family and now retired. Dr Dobson has had attacks and death threats from the gays for several decades.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

Nicolosi is NARTH Dobson is Focus on the Family and now retired. Dr Dobson has had attacks and death threats from the gays for several decades.

Hasn't EVERY MAJOR PUBLIC OFFICIAL who speaks on sensitive issues had death threats?

Let's ask women who have had abortions.... let's ask civil rights leaders.... cut the usual .........

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Now that is interesting. I will have to check their resources. Do you have a link?

I believe that if we are going to help everyone, or do our best, that we must understand that there are more ingredients in these situations than just saying, Homosexuals, throw them away.

More and more I am seeing that the home structure is of utmost importance in the formation of men and women. The home discipline and home authority, within the realm of righteousness and truth, is more important than the traditional church scene.

Traditional Christianity had handed the responsibility of the family off to the church expecting the church to take care of what should be take care of in the home.

God help us all.

I could easily write several chapters on this. I could borrow from several Psychologists that were noted for theories and stages of development or go the old route and view it from the long old and no longer considered Freudian Psychoanalytic views.

TJJ, To slightly change the subject. Some of Psychiatry today goes back to Freud. Some of what we attribute to Sigmund freud was actually from daughter Anna who he was tight with.
What is so ironic is that Anna became gay. She rejected her mom and emulated her daddy. Mom had raised Anna and kept a distant cold relationship with her.

Anna
Freud started counseling a recent widow in another country and her children. After the death of the dad, Anna moved in shacked up and played surrogate dad. Of course we never hook up with patients. Anna played the role of the head of the household that left.

Mens and womens ministries are packed with adults that have wounded spirits from childhood.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

I could easily write several chapters on this. I could borrow from several Psychologists that were noted for theories and stages of development or go the old route and view it from the long old and no longer considered Freudian Psychoanalytic views.

TJJ, To slightly change the subject. Some of Psychiatry today goes back to Freud. Some of what we attribute to Sigmund freud was actually from daughter Anna who he was tight with.
What is so ironic is that Anna became gay. She rejected her mom and emulated her daddy. Mom had raised Anna and kept a distant cold relationship with her.

Anna
Freud started counseling a recent widow in another country and her children. After the death of the dad, Anna moved in shacked up and played surrogate dad. Of course we never hook up with patients. Anna played the role of the head of the household that left.

Mens and womens ministries are packed with adults that have wounded spirits from childhood.

I could easily write several chapters on this.

Thanks for sparing us!

So you operate on penises as a Medical Doctor, perform psychiatric evaluations, are an insider at the White House, a world-traveling missionary and are the "most educated" person on AFF. Are you related to the Dos Equis man?

All your nonsense on Sigmund Freud is baffoonary. I can name you Christian Psychologist after Christian Psychologist, who while discarding much of what Freud may believe outside of science, fully accept and attest to several of his theories inside science. The rest of your National Enquirer style arguments are bologna.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Thanks for sparing us!

So you operate on penises as a Medical Doctor, perform psychiatric evaluations, are an insider at the White House, a world-traveling missionary and are the "most educated" person on AFF. Are you related to the Dos Equis man?
All your nonsense on Sigmund Freud is baffoonary. I can name you Christian Psychologist after Christian Psychologist, who while discarding much of what Freud may believe outside of science, fully accept and attest to several of his theories inside science. The rest of your National Enquirer style arguments are bologna.

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