Trinitarian argument is based on pronouns proving "person". It is their assertion there are three persons. It is Oneness basically that asserts One God became the Son and could therefore refer to God as a "he" as though God is someone other than the Son.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Notice in this verse the speaker is "I" and says "they shall look upon ME, whom they have pierced"?
Then notice how the pronouns shift to the second person? And they shall mourn for him.
The First personal speaker became a second personal speaker in the same context.
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Trinitarian argument is based on pronouns proving "person". It is their assertion there are three persons. It is Oneness basically that asserts One God became the Son and could therefore refer to God as a "he" as though God is someone other than the Son.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Notice in this verse the speaker is "I" and says "they shall look upon ME, whom they have pierced"?
Then notice how the pronouns shift to the second person? And they shall mourn for him.
The First personal speaker became a second personal speaker in the same context.
And all within one sentence...so what do you think? The entire verse seems to be prophetic otherwise how could Zechariah know that "they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
It's like having one subject and going from calling himself someone who is God to someone who is other than God. Prophecy is so hard to decipher!
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
And all within one sentence...so what do you think? The entire verse seems to be prophetic otherwise how could Zechariah know that "they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
It's like having one subject and going from calling himself someone who is God to someone who is other than God. Prophecy is so hard to decipher!
Can you post the link? I didn't have time to look at it this morning.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Especially near the end. First I pointed out the vision there with the son of man is speaking about the saints. The saints according to the context are the son of man in the vision. This is important because it shows how the Trinitarian mind works. They use eisegesis and read all these OT passages that way..
Then I took on Netmannas assertion that Isaiah 6 shows the Trinity.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Trinitarian argument is based on pronouns proving "person". It is their assertion there are three persons. It is Oneness basically that asserts One God became the Son and could therefore refer to God as a "he" as though God is someone other than the Son.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Notice in this verse the speaker is "I" and says "they shall look upon ME, whom they have pierced"?
Then notice how the pronouns shift to the second person? And they shall mourn for him.
The First personal speaker became a second personal speaker in the same context.
It was on the direction and possession of pronouns in the Hebrew language when I dozed off in class... how is this carried over in the original?
It was on the direction and possession of pronouns in the Hebrew language when I dozed off in class... how is this carried over in the original?
And I just haven't learned enough yet to look at it and know. I'm curious too, what it says in Hebrew.
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My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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