I know this is kind of off the wall question but I hope to begin a discussion from this question.
If Jesus had not been killed by men... being sinless... would he have ever died?
Being that he was God in the flesh, he died only when he chose to die. With that said, it is interesting that the scriptures never indicate that he even got sick. It is clear that he came for the purpose of laying down his life. I believe he could have lived on forever in the flesh, if hypothetically, his purpose would or could have been circumvented.
Being that he was God in the flesh, he died only when he chose to die. With that said, it is interesting that the scriptures never indicate that he even got sick. It is clear that he came for the purpose of laying down his life. I believe he could have lived on forever in the flesh, if hypothetically, his purpose would or could have been circumvented.
Would the Apostles ever had died? Bible never mentions them getting sick either.
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Which goes back to my other point. I'm not sure that Jesus was even subject to sickness, unless he allowed it by choice. That was the key difference between him and us; our lives are uncertain, and we are subject to the laws of nature, yet, Jesus controlled his own destiny, and the laws of nature were subject to him.
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Which goes back to my other point. I'm not sure that Jesus was even subject to sickness, unless he allowed it by choice. That was the key difference between him and us; our lives are uncertain, and we are subject to the laws of nature, yet, Jesus controlled his own destiny, and the laws of nature were subject to him.
I think we sometimes forget that he was completely human and subject to the same things we are. He became hungry when he didn't eat and thirsty when he didn't drink. I would contend if he came into contact with sickness he would also have become sick.
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I think we sometimes forget that he was completely human and subject to the same things we are. He became hungry when he didn't eat and thirsty when he didn't drink. I would contend if he came into contact with sickness he would also have become sick.
He did come in contact with sickness when He healed the lepers.
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He was fully man, He would have died. Adam, apparently, needed the tree of life even though he was sinless.
Yes, this question does lead us back to Genesis. The question would be, was death inevitable before Adam and Eve sinned in the garden? I'm not sure that it was, since death was first mentioned as part of the curse (Genesis 3:19). It may be difficult to prove that death had been reserved for them from the beginning. Could Adam and Eve have lived indefinitely without sin? Why not? Their genetics were obviously different, and one might suppose that they were pure in that regard. Even after the curse of death, men still lived quite lengthy lives, e.g., Adam, Methuselah, etc. So I would contend that Adam needed the Tree of Life to live indefinitely, after he sinned, not before.
I also contend that Jesus was also fully God (Colossians 2:9). And my conclusion is that he could have lived indefinitely in that bodily form.
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He was fully man, He would have died. Adam, apparently, needed the tree of life even though he was sinless.
I do not think Adam needed the tree of life to physically live forever until after he sinned. Adam had no sin and only the one who sins must die. But the tree of life had the remedy for sin if man did sin. But the tree of life was primarily for God's life to be inside mankind.
Anyway, I agree Jesus would have died like anyone else. He was God in flesh, but that was NATURAL flesh and not spiritual flesh that does not die. He only took upon Himself a spiritual body when He resurrected.
There may be a point, though, to the idea that Jesus was without sin. For only the one who sins can die. But it had nothing to do with the fact He was God in flesh, for flesh is still flesh whether God is in it or not. The only connection we can see to Him being God in flesh is that this man him a sinless man. And maybe that would mean Jesus would not have died, being like Adam before the fall without sin.
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