Talking bad against ministers

[Jack Shephard]

For a long time many on here including myself have said things about a certain minister that preaches about "magic-hair". I was talking today with someone and they told me that no matter what the man or any man preaches that they don't deserve to be talked bad about because more than likely they really "feel" what they are preaching.

What do you all think about this? I am making a great effort to not talk about anyone in a negative manner even the man I have referred to here. Talking bad or negatively about someone, even if they preach a false doctrine, are we just as bad as them by talking negatively about them? Just curious what you all think.

I believe that it is always better to give respect to the office, but when does the office go too far and warrant someone saying something?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

For a long time many on here including myself have said things about a certain minister that preaches about "magic-hair". I was talking today with someone and they told me that no matter what the man or any man preaches that they don't deserve to be talked bad about because more than likely they really "feel" what they are preaching.

What do you all think about this? I am making a great effort to not talk about anyone in a negative manner even the man I have referred to here. Talking bad or negatively about someone, even if they preach a false doctrine, are we just as bad as them by talking negatively about them? Just curious what you all think.

I believe that it is always better to give respect to the office, but when does the office go too far and warrant someone saying something?

Define "talking bad about someone"...

Here is a question, do "ministers" refrain from the same?

Here is what I see, talking about that ministers doctrine and pointing out he is not as qualified as he or his website claims. Is that talking bad?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

For a long time many on here including myself have said things about a certain minister that preaches about "magic-hair". I was talking today with someone and they told me that no matter what the man or any man preaches that they don't deserve to be talked bad about because more than likely they really "feel" what they are preaching.

What do you all think about this? I am making a great effort to not talk about anyone in a negative manner even the man I have referred to here. Talking bad or negatively about someone, even if they preach a false doctrine, are we just as bad as them by talking negatively about them? Just curious what you all think.

I believe that it is always better to give respect to the office, but when does the office go too far and warrant someone saying something?

Paul had a pretty easy time pointing problem preachers and at times, called them by name. The things Lee Stoneking says are nowhere near scriptural and I think it's fair to point out.

If we start ripping a guy because of his style or methodology? Well, then we've hit the ball out of bounds.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Define "talking bad about someone"...

Here is a question, do "ministers" refrain from the same?

Here is what I see, talking about that ministers doctrine and pointing out he is not as qualified as he or his website claims. Is that talking bad?

No ministers don't all the time. What I really mean is what is too far? When should one sensor themselves? If there is facts like the website thing or qualification issues I understand why someone might say things. I don't disagree that it is ok to point out false doctrine, etc. But where should the line be drawn? Talking about the doctrine or talking the man preaching it?

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Paul had a pretty easy time pointing problem preachers and at times, called them by name. The things Lee Stoneking says are nowhere near scriptural and I think it's fair to point out.

If we start ripping a guy because of his style or methodology? Well, then we've hit the ball out of bounds.

Agreed. Being no where scriptural is a key here. LS and others have said things that are not biblical, but so have some other ministers about things like movies, shorts or other standards. Should they have room to preach something the actually believe in even though it is wrong? Of course not, but then why the cover up from up top?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

No ministers don't all the time. What I really mean is what is too far? When should one sensor themselves? If there is facts like the website thing or qualification issues I understand why someone might say things. I don't disagree that it is ok to point out false doctrine, etc. But where should the line be drawn? Talking about the doctrine or talking the man preaching it?




Agreed. Being no where scriptural is a key here. LS and others have said things that are not biblical, but so have some other ministers about things like movies, shorts or other standards. Should they have room to preach something the actually believe in even though it is wrong? Of course not, but then why the cover up from up top?

Can you point to an example of what you think might be crossing the line?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can you point to an example of what you think might be crossing the line?

Not expressly specific, but instead of talking about how bad the doctrine is it seems that some have talked as if he has lost all of his mind, myself included. I feel bad for some of it. I think that it does have the potential to unrepairably damage the movement, but that would be no matter who the preacher was right?

[canam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can you point to an example of what you think might be crossing the line?

One would have been the last election of GS in UPCI when some in effect accused Bro Mooney of manipulating the election and mocked him for backing out because he was" checked" , then he has a heart attack and everyone doing that looks stupid , guess he was checked for a reason eh?.There have been many others too imo.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

For a long time many on here including myself have said things about a certain minister that preaches about "magic-hair". I was talking today with someone and they told me that no matter what the man or any man preaches that they don't deserve to be talked bad about because more than likely they really "feel" what they are preaching.

What do you all think about this? I am making a great effort to not talk about anyone in a negative manner even the man I have referred to here. Talking bad or negatively about someone, even if they preach a false doctrine, are we just as bad as them by talking negatively about them? Just curious what you all think.

I believe that it is always better to give respect to the office, but when does the office go too far and warrant someone saying something?

I agree., so many people go on and on about 'agreeing to disagree' but then go right ahead on and bash (or otherwise show disrespect) the person that they disagree with..and quite generously, too!
Yeah its human, most everyone does it., AND..its been that way since 4ever and will no doubt continue to go on UNTIL the LORD says "ENOUGH"!
Its not right, but neither is soo very much else in our daily lives.
SO?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by simplyme

I agree., so many people go on and on about 'agreeing to disagree' but then go right ahead on and bash (or otherwise show disrespect) the person that they disagree with..and quite generously, too!
Yeah its human, most everyone does it., AND..its been that way since 4ever and will no doubt continue to go on UNTIL the LORD says "ENOUGH"!
Its not right, but neither is soo very much else in our daily lives.
SO?

There are some dispicable people that I won't trash. I think that sometimes the "bad-mouthing" might come from a seed of hurt in us. I think sometimes "how can people get away with this stuff and still get big speaking engagments, but this person and that person aren't preaching things like that and they can't even teach a Bible lesson in a class.."

[missourimary]

Some of it may also come from "I can't believe I fell for that... and I remember when I heard so-and-so who I really liked preach it."

I doubt most of it is meant with ill intent toward a person, but you are right, we should be careful. And yet, yes, there is a time to speak up. The bible never says we must never question those in authority or should just blindly follow whatever they say. We should study, we should question... and there comes a time when we have not only a right, but an obligation to stand up and say "this teaching is wrong." Whether or not we need to name a name when we do that really depends on the situation.