Where In Scripture Are We Instructed/Exampled To Pray To Jesus?

Digging4Truth · #1 05-04-2007, 08:25 AM

Wide open & honest question...

I look forward to seeing the scriptural references and reading your responses.

Kutless · #2 05-04-2007, 08:26 AM

Our father which art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy name

Digging4Truth · #3 05-04-2007, 08:28 AM

1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

Also... on the scripture you gave... who said it? Jesus did...

Why wouldn't he say pray to me?

He (the son) instructed them to pray to the Father.

We are, indeed, instructed to pray in Jesus name... this is an absolute biblical fact. But were we instructed... or do we have biblical example of such.... to pray TO Jesus.

Who did the apostles pray to?
What examples do we have of how they prayed?

Digging4Truth · #4 05-04-2007, 09:10 AM

In case anyone is waiting on my feelings on this question here is what I currently see in scripture.

To me scriptures bear out repeatedly that the apostles did view Jesus as the express image of the invisible God but they maintained a difference between the father and son as well.

I see, again, repeatedly in scripture where they demonstrate their view of their being God, the father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are indeed instructed to pray in Jesus name.

But what I see in scripture seems to leave me with the feeling that the apostles prayed TO the Father (that is to the one, eternal, invisible God of all creation who was in Christ) and they prayed those prayers in the name (or in the authority of) Jesus (which is to say by the authority granted us by the work of Christ)

Now this is a quick encapsulation of a lot of study and may not be exactly true to my current beliefs but it is a quick overview so that we can, hopefully, take the discussion from there.

mizpeh · #5 05-04-2007, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

In case anyone is waiting on my feelings on this question here is what I currently see in scripture.

To me scriptures bear out repeatedly that the apostles did view Jesus as the express image of the invisible God but they maintained a difference between the father and son as well.

I see, again, repeatedly in scripture where they demonstrate their view of their being God, the father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are indeed instructed to pray in Jesus name.

But what I see in scripture seems to leave me with the feeling that the apostles prayed TO the Father (that is to the one, eternal, invisible God of all creation who was in Christ) and they prayed those prayers in the name (or in the authority of) Jesus (which is to say by the authority granted us by the work of Christ)

Now this is a quick encapsulation of a lot of study and may not be exactly true to my current beliefs but it is a quick overview so that we can, hopefully, take the discussion from there.

Does the Father have a name? Do we pray to the Father in Jesus'name because Jesus is the name of the Father?

nathan_slatter · #6 05-04-2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Does the Father have a name? Do we pray to the Father in Jesus'name because Jesus is the name of the Father?

Is Jesus the name of the Father?

Digging4Truth · #7 05-04-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Does the Father have a name? Do we pray to the Father in Jesus'name because Jesus is the name of the Father?

Ahhhhhhhhh

Excellent question.

I will have to do some study into that.

But... Does he need a name to be prayed to?

For instance... Father we come to you tonight... etc etc... and we ask these things in the name of Jesus... amen.

You have offered a great thought though... I will do some thinking on it.

nathan_slatter · #8 05-04-2007, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Ahhhhhhhhh

Excellent question.

I will have to do some study into that.

But... Does he need a name to be prayed to?

For instance... Father we come to you tonight... etc etc... and we ask these things in the name of Jesus... amen.

You have offered a great thought though... I will do some thinking on it.

And I was always taught that "in the name of Jesus" was the same as "by the authority of Jesus", I've learned that it is a bit deeper than that since, but if praying/being baptized in the name of Jesus means praying/being baptized by the authority of Jesus -- then the same interpretation of "I come in my Fathers name" should be "I come by the authority of my father".

Digging4Truth · #9 05-04-2007, 09:48 AM

I have brought this list up before on this forum but no one ever seems to want to comment.

In the list of scriptures below I see some evidence that the apostles did see the Father as God and the son as Lord, Messiah, Christ.

I don't think this undoes oneness in any way. I just think that the way I have been taught to view the father and the son is different from the way these verses demonstrate the apostles view of the same.

Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

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Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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1Cr 1:3 Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

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1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

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2Cr 1:2 Grace [be] to you and peace from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

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2Cr 1:3 Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

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2Cr 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

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Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

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Gal 1:3 Grace [be] to you and peace from God the Father, and [from] our Lord Jesus Christ,

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Eph 1:2 Grace [be] to you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Eph 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:

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Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

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Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

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Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

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Eph 6:23 Peace [be] to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Phl 1:2 Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

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Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians [which is] in God the Father and [in] the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

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1Th 3:11 Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.

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1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

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2Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

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2Th 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given [us] everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

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1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, [my] own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

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2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, [my] dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Tts 1:4 To Titus, [mine] own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

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Phm 1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

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1Pe 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

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1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

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1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

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1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

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2Jo 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

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Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called:

mizpeh · #10 05-04-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I have brought this list up before on this forum but no one ever seems to want to comment.

In the list of scriptures below I see some evidence that the apostles did see the Father as God and the son as Lord, Messiah, Christ.

I don't think this undoes oneness in any way. I just think that the way I have been taught to view the father and the son is different from the way these verses demonstrate the apostles view of the same.

Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Cr 1:3 Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2Cr 1:2 Grace [be] to you and peace from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2Cr 1:3 Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

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2Cr 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

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Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gal 1:3 Grace [be] to you and peace from God the Father, and [from] our Lord Jesus Christ,

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Eph 1:2 Grace [be] to you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eph 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eph 6:23 Peace [be] to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phl 1:2 Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Col 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians [which is] in God the Father and [in] the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Th 3:11 Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2Th 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given [us] everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, [my] own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, [my] dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tts 1:4 To Titus, [mine] own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phm 1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Pe 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2Jo 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

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Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called:

The two modes of existences of the one God. Some say God as Spirit and God as man. Or Spirit and Flesh. Or Father and Son.

Both are named Jesus. See Romans 8:9-11