Legislating Internet Porn

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by whoami

I distrust you...lol

[whoami]

I'm with Hoovie, I think this could be a good option to have, but I'm always hesitant to hand the government more control. I don't want to regulate the activities of adults.

But having been a curious teenager with internet access at certain places I can tell you that firewalls, filters, etc. can be easily bypassed by a tech savvy kid. And there are LOTS of free sites that don't require credit cards and are easy to get into, and show some very sick stuff 'abnormal' stuff that makes normal "penetration showing" hardcore porn seem very vanilla in comparison.

So, I can see both sides of the argument. Not sure that I would trust our government enough to vote for an option like this if it actually came up on a ballot, but if a private company could actually stop it at the source, I think this would be handy for parents with kids using the computer.

[whoami]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I distrust you...lol

I'm ok with that. lol I'm not going to 'prove it' to you.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Twisp

It still isn't a good analogy. You are trying to compare an illegal activity with a legal activity. Caffeine is a drug, you should try and compare caffeine to porn, that would make more sense, since both are legal.

I think it is a good analogy. You have legal drugs, illegal drugs, drug addiction and money incentives for people to push it.

You have legal porn, illegal porn, porn addiction and money incentives for people to push it.

Caffeine is very mild and doesn't have the same effect as porn.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think it is a good analogy. You have legal drugs, illegal drugs, drug addiction and money incentives for people to push it.

You have legal porn, illegal porn, porn addiction and money incentives for people to push it.

Caffeine is very mild and doesn't have the same effect as porn.

Again, you cannot compare illegal instances with legal instances. They play by a totally different set of rules.

Yes, illegal instances should be policed, rules against illegal instances should be enforced, and money should be spent against illegal instances.

That has no bearing on legal instances, simply because they are not in the same categories..

A good analogy would be for the government to keep any sugary foods from entering households, simply because kids might become obese. There would be an opt-in for parents that want sugars in their household.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Again, you cannot compare illegal instances with legal instances. They play by a totally different set of rules.

Yes, illegal instances should be policed, rules against illegal instances should be enforced, and money should be spent against illegal instances.

That has no bearing on legal instances, simply because they are not in the same categories..

A good analogy would be for the government to keep any sugary foods from entering households, simply because kids might become obese. There would be an opt-in for parents that want sugars in their household.

Once again, I would like to know exactly what is legal and illegal porn. I know playboys are legal but I don't know the answer after that. So, you have both legal and illegal porn on the internet. And then, spitting on the sidewalk is still illegal in some places, but nobody cares.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by ILG

Once again, I would like to know exactly what is legal and illegal porn. I know playboys are legal but I don't know the answer after that. So, you have both legal and illegal porn on the internet. And then, spitting on the sidewalk is still illegal in some places, but nobody cares.

Have you tried looking it up? I am sure you could google it. Perhaps that would help your analogies.

Here is a good jumping off point for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornogr...tates#Legality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_s...#United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

[MissBrattified]

Well, I never saw a single porn magazine when I was growing up; not at my house, and not at my friend's houses. The one time I did see a pornographic video was a Japanese anime film that one of our neighbors was watching while I played with her daughter. I was shocked, and left the house--I think I was about 13. I never told my parents.

So I understand that porn has always existed, and has always been accessible to some extent. However, it has NEVER been as accessible as it is now, and yes, there are free sites that offer streaming porn. I won't list the link here, but I'm aware of at least one in particular.

I DO agree that online, you pretty much get what you go searching for. However, I would like it if my children couldn't access it even if they went searching for it. We have good filters on their computers, but as they get older, that interferes with research and access to some sites they actually need, so I sometimes have to turn the filters off. *sigh*

I realize that at some point they will probably be exposed to it, but I'm not happy about that, and I certainly don't view it as some sort of *harmless* part of growing up. Hard core and fetish pornography is a twisted representation of sex between a married couple, and further, I think sexuality should be explored in the marital bed; not online or in magazines with pictures and videos of someone besides your spouse. I am completely against couples using pornographic images and videos to "spice up" their love life, and it always shocks me when Christians find these types of things acceptable.

But, I digress.

I'm suspicious of the government's motives in this as well, because we certainly don't want them filtering out other sites that they deem politically incorrect, etc. Hoovie's right; if private companies would handle the opt-in process, that would be a superior option. That said, I'm in support of the idea.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, I never saw a single porn magazine when I was growing up; not at my house, and not at my friend's houses. The one time I did see a pornographic video was a Japanese anime film that one of our neighbors was watching while I played with her daughter. I was shocked, and left the house--I think I was about 13. I never told my parents.

So I understand that porn has always existed, and has always been accessible to some extent. However, it has NEVER been as accessible as it is now, and yes, there are free sites that offer streaming porn. I won't list the link here, but I'm aware of at least one in particular.

I DO agree that online, you pretty much get what you go searching for. However, I would like it if my children couldn't access it even if they went searching for it. We have good filters on their computers, but as they get older, that interferes with research and access to some sites they actually need, so I sometimes have to turn the filters off. *sigh*

I realize that at some point they will probably be exposed to it, but I'm not happy about that, and I certainly don't view it as some sort of *harmless* part of growing up. Hard core and fetish pornography is a twisted representation of sex between a married couple, and further, I think sexuality should be explored in the marital bed; not online or in magazines with pictures and videos of someone besides your spouse. I am completely against couples using pornographic images and videos to "spice up" their love life, and it always shocks me when Christians find these types of things acceptable.

But, I digress.

I'm suspicious of the government's motives in this as well, because we certainly don't want them filtering out other sites that they deem politically incorrect, etc. Hoovie's right; if private companies would handle the opt-in process, that would be a superior option. That said, I'm in support of the idea.

Hey, why picking on fetish! Not fair!
But seriously... Some good stuff said here.

The fact is, as much as we want to protect our kids and keep them from it (and we should), at some point, we release them into the world and their faith must keep them from venturing down that road. Your words were sober when you said "they will eventually see it." That's the sad reality. Hopefully, in that moment, they see the disgusting wretchedness and never forget it that way. What gets people coming back is the chemicals released when they see it -- they remember that sensation later and it begins to stimulate them. But many can testify that it's a battle, with the help of the Lord, we can overcome.

I think Hoovie's idea was a good one as well (private company offering). If it's at a server level, it's harder to get around. If your child is working that hard to get to porn, there's already a heart problem that should be discipled. However, I obviously recognize the difference between a heart problem and a porn addiction (still a heart problem, but now a real bodily addiction).

May God give me the wisdom with this subject with my own children.

[Aquila]

How exactly does porn work like a drug? Can someone elaborate? I want to know what is meant by this idea because I had a question fielded to me on this once.