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12-29-2010, 04:18 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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I firmly believe that some in Apostolica ... have not read Romans.
It's the book after Acts.
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12-29-2010, 04:19 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
Jesus said if we look (think) upon a woman to lust we have committed adultery in our heart... That would be sin. But.. Committing the sin in the physical realm is a worse level of sin to man and to God.
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You just said that thinking it is the same as adultery to God ... the only one that would know you (generically speaking) are a secret adulterer is God ... who knows our thoughts ...
The committing in the physical realm would have grave consequences among us ... your wife, kids, family .. friends ... church members ...
The hurt, betrayal ... grief ... etc ... is felt among us.
Both the inward and outward act deserve death before a holy God...
That is why our justification by faith through Christ is paramount ... as well as walking in the Spirit.
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12-29-2010, 04:21 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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It's exactly the opposite. Finite humans quantify sin, especially the West.
In the eyes of God, acting out in a way that displeases God, that disobeys him is all the same. Our unrighteousness is unrighteousness. Not good unrighteousness and worse unrighteousness. On a practical level, some sins have greater impact on others, and by their very nature have practical consequences that are greater. But in a spiritual sense, the load of guilt is all the same to God.
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Thank you. 
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-29-2010, 04:22 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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You just said that thinking is the same as adultery to God ... the only one that would know you (generically speaking) are a secret adulterer is God ... who knows our thoughts ...
The committing in the physical realm would have grave consequences among us ... your wife, kids, family .. friends ... church members ...
The hurt, betrayal ... grief ... etc ... is felt among us.
Both the inward and outward act deserve death before a holy God...
That is why our justification by faith through Christ is paramount ... as well as walking in the Spirit.
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Amen
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-29-2010, 04:24 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
There are more adulterers walking around in the eyes of God than we'd care to know ...
But committing it will add a social stigma that may never be forgiven by those we hurt ...
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12-29-2010, 04:26 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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I firmly believe that some in Apostolica ... have not read Romans.
It's the book after Acts.
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What's your opinion on 1st John 5:16&17?
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12-29-2010, 04:26 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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There are more adulterers walking around in the eyes of God than we'd care to know ...
But committing it will add a social stigma that may never be forgiven by those we hurt ...
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It is hard to forgive, and to forget.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-29-2010, 04:27 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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There are anemic Apostolics in the word because all they can quote is Acts 2:38 and "Greater is he that is in me, than he that is the world"
Read ... study ... analyze ... digest Romans .... it will change your life ...
It did for Martin Luther ... it changed history as we know it ...
This also applies to the whole counsel of the Word.
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Last edited by DAII; 12-29-2010 at 04:39 PM.
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12-29-2010, 04:39 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
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I'd recommend you read various commentaries on this Tim ....
There are a multitude of opinions on this ... but a rule to bible interpretation is that one scripture does not make a doctrine ... we must allow other scripture to interpret scripture and they must harmonize ... find a witness for it throughout the Word ... and use the entire context of the chapter and thought.
Context is important in any discussion. A theological one as well ... even looking at the historical context and authorial purpose for why a book was written.
Find the lists of of the works of the flesh and unrighteousness in the Word ... and how God's responds to them ... like in Romans and in Galatians and Revelation ...
I see lying lumped with murdering in the same fiery pit.
Compare them ....
In my study ...
I do know of one sin that is unto death in Scripture: unbelief ...
John himself says so ... in the previous verses.
1 John 5:10-13 (King James Version)
10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Ultimately ...
Jesus said it clearly: .... He that believeth not shall perish ...
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Last edited by DAII; 12-29-2010 at 04:49 PM.
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12-29-2010, 05:04 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Just for the sake of discussion. Is there not different levels of sin? a simple example.. A man steals and feeds his family or the same man hits abuses and hurts his family. I think if we finite humans can understand the difference in sins.. Surely the allknowing God of heaven understands the difference. The blanket statement that sin is sin and it'll all take you to hell anyways so it's all the same has always been an ignorant thing for someone to say. God understands the intent and sees the ending when all we see through is a dark glass.
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Of course there are degrees of sin. There are sins like homosexuality, murder, rape, incest.
Then there are serious sins like trimming hair, watching TV, and the granddaddy of them all, not paying tithes.
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