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12-29-2010, 05:14 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
Sin is sin, but... there are definitely different levels of consequences that we suffer. Parking in a no parking zone will get us a ticket. Committing adultery can destroy our lives and the lives of others. Both wrong, but definitely different levels of consequences.
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12-29-2010, 05:51 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
Are there levels of sin?
I dunno.
Paul said he was the chiefest of sinners. He probably wasn't bragging about it but he seemed to think there were certain levels one of which he alone attained.
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12-29-2010, 05:59 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
Are there levels of sin?
I dunno.
Paul said he was the chiefest of sinners. He probably wasn't bragging about it but he seemed to think there were certain levels one of which he alone attained.
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Do you think he meant before or after he believed?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-29-2010, 06:02 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
Are there levels of sin?
I dunno.
Paul said he was the chiefest of sinners. He probably wasn't bragging about it but he seemed to think there were certain levels one of which he alone attained.
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Color me stupid, but I'm not sure Paul's "chiefest of sinners" has anything to do with levels of sin. If anything, Paul was humbly relating to his audience in a way that he is obviously being self-deprecating. Since he has no knowledge of others standing before God, it's quite obviously not a prophetic foretelling of facts, but rather a figure of speech: for example: "I'm the probably more guilty than you all..."
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12-29-2010, 06:04 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Do you think he meant before or after he believed?
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Talking about sin in Romans he confessed in the present tense, "that I would not do, that I do...."
Don't take me seriously here. 
He was speaking of the motives of the uncrucified flesh and the law of sin which remains in everyone who will yield to the dictates of the flesh.
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12-29-2010, 06:05 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Do you think he meant before or after he believed?
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Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. 16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.
Good point, Cindy.
And what we have here is humility, not a factual level-grade of Paul's sin.
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12-29-2010, 06:20 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Originally Posted by Socialite
Color me stupid, but I'm not sure Paul's "chiefest of sinners" has anything to do with levels of sin. If anything, Paul was humbly relating to his audience in a way that he is obviously being self-deprecating. Since he has no knowledge of others standing before God, it's quite obviously not a prophetic foretelling of facts, but rather a figure of speech: for example: "I'm the probably more guilty than you all..."
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So...
Paul was just kidding around and trying to be humble?
Again, I say as I said above..."Don't take me seriously here."
It is I that is only kidding.
In a sober vein, I agree with you.
Now...
concerning your guilt. Care to discuss it with us?
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12-29-2010, 06:41 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
Paul was so zealous in his persecution of Christians, and he was zealous for the cause of Christ after he believed. The love of Jesus Christ for us should humble us all.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-29-2010, 06:48 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
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Originally Posted by Cindy
Paul was so zealous in his persecution of Christians, and he was zealous for the cause of Christ after he believed. The love of Jesus Christ for us should humble us all.
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Amen, Sis...
'nuff of my silliness.
Indeed, I am humbled by it, to be sure.
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12-29-2010, 07:41 PM
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Re: Levels of sin
Since Apprehended and Tim are struggling for the counter-argument to greater levels of sin .. let me help with the cardinal argument ...
It's said by Jesus himself speaking of Judas' betrayal to Pontius Pilate who also plays a role in Jesus death:
John 19:11, "...He that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."
Socialite care to engage this verse in light of what has been said thus far?
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