The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 148

James Griffin · #**1471** 12-31-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

This is getting funny already.

Just like Clark, the 47 translators of the KJV were mere commentators!

Hahaha!

I can see that this is going to be fun.

Be gentle my friend, he is young. :-)

Apprehended · #**1472** 12-31-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Be gentle my friend, he is young. :-)

That explains a lot.

I remember when I was in my twenties, I thought I was a genius and knew almost everything and few could tell me anything.

So, I've decided that I never knew anything...not then, not later and have concluded that I really will never know very much of anything at all. The wealth of my knowledge might possibly equate by comparison to one grain of sand in the Pacific Ocean.

Though later, looking back, I became embarrassed at how foolish I was when I was young, I am now entertained by so great of knowledge and wisdom of those of my age back then. They too will look back one day and, they too will feel a sense of embarrassment. Even that is entertaining.

I remember the remarks of Samuel Clement concerning how foolish and unlearned his Dad was when he lived at home with him. He later left home, traveled around the world, experienced many things. Many years later he went home to visit his aged Dad. He was shocked at how much the old man had learned.

... I understand.

James Griffin · #**1473** 12-31-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

That explains a lot.

I remember when I was in my twenties, I thought I was a genius and knew almost everything and few could tell me anything.

So, I've decided that I never knew anything...not then, not later and have concluded that I really will never know very much of anything at all. The wealth of my knowledge might possibly equate by comparison to one grain of sand in the Pacific Ocean.

Though later, looking back, I became embarrassed at how foolish I was when I was young, I am now entertained by so great of knowledge and wisdom of those of my age back then. They too will look back one day and, they too will feel a sense of embarrassment. Even that is entertaining.

I remember the remarks of Samuel Clement concerning how foolish and unlearned his Dad was when he lived at home with him. He later left home, traveled around the world, experienced many things. Many years later he went home to visit his aged Dad. He was shocked at how much the old man had learned.

... I understand.

age and youth are relative my friend, he is only is his 40s. :-)

Jeffrey · #**1474** 12-31-2010, 01:46 PM

The phrase "the cross of Christ can save us" is a neither literal nor verbatim. It's the effectiveness of the Cross, the story, the outcome. Technically, the cross would fall short had Jesus not resurrected. But the reality of the cross, what the cross speaks, what is represents, what it means.... that's our salvation. It capstones the entire story of God...

Wood doesn't save me. But God's sacrifice does. And what He did is enough.

Jeffrey · #**1475** 12-31-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Of course. His personal prejudices were well pronounced through out his commentary.

This is getting funny already.

Just like Clark, the 47 translators of the KJV were mere commentators!

Hahaha!

I can see that this is going to be fun.

God has spoken, the rest IS commentary

Apprehended · #**1476** 12-31-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

The phrase "the cross of Christ can save us" is a neither literal nor verbatim. It's the effectiveness of the Cross, the story, the outcome. Technically, the cross would fall short had Jesus not resurrected. But the reality of the cross, what the cross speaks, what is represents, what it means.... that's our salvation. It capstones the entire story of God...

The resurrection of Jesus is the cornerstone of the New Testament Church by which all salvation and victory depends. The story of two boards nailed together is meaningless had not Jesus died there as a sacrifice, buried and rose again victorious over death and hell.

There is no power in the cross to save. It is the PREACHING of the cross that has power to save, which preaching includes not only the death but the burial and resurrection as well.

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Wood doesn't save me. But God's sacrifice does. And what He did is enough

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What he did is enough if we understand what all he actually did. He did more than sacrifice himself for sins. He gained victory over all power of the enemy which includes the last enemy...death itself. Even what he did is not enough unless it is both preached and believed by those that hear the preaching. Faith comes by HEARING...and hearing the story of the cross.

So, there is more to salvation than just a cross alone. There are elements that must be added and mixed along with the gospel. We must add our faith and mix it with the power of the preached cross.

There are imperative elements of the cross than just two boards nailed together. The cross alone has no power to do anything. The cross alone can do nothing.

Apprehended · #**1477** 12-31-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

God has spoken, the rest IS commentary

To this we will agree.

The Word of God is yea and amen.

Jeffrey · #**1478** 12-31-2010, 02:20 PM

You are being disingenuous, argumentative for the sake of argument, or both.

The preaching of the cross is that because He died, we can live.

We don't add our faith. We just respond to the Story, and can even only do that by his help (the Spirit). When someone says "the cross is enough" they are saying "his sacrifice is enough."

To argue out semantics of how exhaustive the Gospel story is misses the point of what is meant. Fact is, we can go deeper into those semantics and theology of the cross if you'd like. But that's not really the point here. What was done on the cross satisfies our guilt and condemnation. Nothing else does, and anything else intended to satisfy that guilt is foolishness and mockery of His suffering -- not to mention something bringing the affectionate analogy of a menstrual cloth.

Jeffrey · #**1479** 12-31-2010, 02:35 PM

Love the old chorus tied in at the end: "Jesus paid it all, all to him I owe... Sin has left a crimson stain, he washed it white as snow..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=herw8B1S3do

A Murrell Ewing tribute to this thread

MrMasterMind · #**1480** 12-31-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

You are being disingenuous, argumentative for the sake of argument, or both.

The preaching of the cross is that because He died, we can live.

We don't add our faith. We just respond to the Story, and can even only do that by his help (the Spirit). When someone says "the cross is enough" they are saying "his sacrifice is enough."

To argue out semantics of how exhaustive the Gospel story is misses the point of what is meant. Fact is, we can go deeper into those semantics and theology of the cross if you'd like. But that's not really the point here. What was done on the cross satisfies our guilt and condemnation. Nothing else does, and anything else intended to satisfy that guilt is foolishness and mockery of His suffering -- not to mention something bringing the affectionate analogy of a menstrual cloth.

His death paid for my sin, without His resurrection there would be no new birth.