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01-03-2011, 02:45 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
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Do you honestly believe that John Wesley, D.L. Moody, and Elvis Presley did not have Jesus Christ dwelling in them as the Holy Spirit?
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Did he say that????? Did he say that John Wesley and D.L. Moody did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit????
Surely not.
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01-03-2011, 02:47 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
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No sir.
Neither one of them had the Holy Ghost.
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He DID!!!!!!
How in the heck can you say such a completely pious, theologically-arrogant thing??? How dare you condemn the Christ-relationships of these great pioneers of the faith???
ZERO credibility!!!! Zilch!
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
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Did he say that????? Did he say that John Wesley and D.L. Moody did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit????
Surely not.
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Yup!
Sure did.
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01-03-2011, 02:51 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
Bible says he give etenal salvation to them that OBEY him.
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
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He DID!!!!!!
How in the heck can you say such a completely pious, theologically-arrogant thing??? How dare you condemn the Christ-relationships of these great pioneers of the faith???
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Hahaha!
Oh how poor I must be having lost credibility with you.
btw, I don't have to condemn them, they are condemned already.
They never ONCE saw the SON OF GOD.
I am now beginning to believe that you have never seen the SON of God...or His Father.
Mull over that for a few minutes...or for the rest of eternity.
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01-03-2011, 02:54 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
If salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, then how could we in good conscience add anything to thus? I mean, if Christ saves, and we are indeed so sinful, then how dare we think we could anything of our sinful selves to the equation to make us holy along with the Cross?
I believe baptism should be in Jesus name, but I believe this is a command subsequent to salvation. If baptism saves, then salvation is man's work helping Christ, and not a work of Christ alone.
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01-03-2011, 02:58 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
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If salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, then how could we in good conscience add anything to thus? I mean, if Christ saves, and we are indeed so sinful, then how dare we think we could anything of our sinful selves to the equation to make us holy along with the Cross?
I believe baptism should be in Jesus name, but I believe this is a command subsequent to salvation. If baptism saves, then salvation is man's work helping Christ, and not a work of Christ alone.
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Who commanded baptism? God or man? Did man invent baptism?
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01-03-2011, 03:00 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
Even accepting Christ is a work, isn't moving your lips to pray a work? 
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01-03-2011, 03:02 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
You claim baptism saves. So then must we add our work with God's, or is Christ sufficient?
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01-03-2011, 03:02 PM
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Re: Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Mak
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
Hahaha!
Oh how poor I must be having lost credibility with you.
btw, I don't have to condemn them, they are condemned already.
They never ONCE saw the SON OF GOD.
I am now beginning to believe that you have never seen the SON of God...or His Father.
Mull over that for a few minutes...or for the rest of eternity.
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Condemned and restored through faith in Christ.
Something very important has come up so I'll have to mull over your brilliant statement later. My son asked me to play Madden Football with him. Later.
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