Tuscon Tragedy

Robby · #1 01-14-2011, 09:36 PM

To everyone who is calling for stricter gun laws in light of the tragedy in Tucson, may I offer this little tidbit: If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk and spoons make people overeat! Remember: Hold the person accountable for their actions, not the means they chose to utilize their actions. Accountability is lost when an individual is not held responsible. Responsibility is lost when blame is misplaced. The responsibility for this terrible act must lie with Jared Loughner. This is not a political issue.

RandyWayne · #2 01-14-2011, 09:43 PM

In a nation of over 300 million there will always be shooting and murders. Whenever one makes the national headlines there inevitably some sort of gun control legislation trying to fast tracked within 24-48 hours.

Robby · #3 01-15-2011, 12:01 AM

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In a nation of over 300 million there will always be shooting and murders. Whenever one makes the national headlines there inevitably some sort of gun control legislation trying to fast tracked within 24-48 hours.

AMEN.....Bro.

OneAccord · #4 01-15-2011, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Robby

To everyone who is calling for stricter gun laws in light of the tragedy in Tucson, may I offer this little tidbit: If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk and spoons make people overeat! Remember: Hold the person accountable for their actions, not the means they chose to utilize their actions. Accountability is lost when an individual is not held responsible. Responsibility is lost when blame is misplaced. The responsibility for this terrible act must lie with Jared Loughner. This is not a political issue.

You're right. The Tucson shooter is responsible for his actions. Those who commit senseless violent actions must be held accountable. They must suffer the consequences for what they choose to do.

On the other side of the coin, however, there is another issue. The unescapbable fact is that we live in a society where violence is often applauded, encouraged, and supported. Movies, video games and even songs seem to make violence an acceptable way to vent our frustrations. Last night, for example, I watched Kathy Bates ram her car into another repeatedly because she felt she was being disrespected. I saw a Richard Harris shoot his opponent in a card game because he thought his opponent was cheating. His actions were deemed "justifiable" and he was rewarded with "a drink on the house". "Rambo" destroys a town and kills several police officers simply because he had the "right" to be there.

I know. Eyes are rolling everywhere as some say, "Oh, heres another nutjob blaming Hollywood". Well, no, I'm not blaming Hollywood or guns or anyone or anything else. I'm just saying we live in a society that fosters violent behavior. We want a violence free world, but we are fed a constant diet of violence. Its like feeding a kid a steady diet of Happy Meals and Big Macs then blaming them for their obesity.

Yes, the Tucson shooter stands accountable for his despicable actions. The blood of his victims is on his hands. But a world that casts aside morality and embraces violence as entertainment can't help but be splattered by some of that same blood.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

Baron1710 · #5 01-15-2011, 06:34 AM

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You're right. The Tucson shooter is responsible for his actions. Those who commit senseless violent actions must be held accountable. They must suffer the consequences for what they choose to do.

On the other side of the coin, however, there is another issue. The unescapbable fact is that we live in a society where violence is often applauded, encouraged, and supported. Movies, video games and even songs seem to make violence an acceptable way to vent our frustrations. Last night, for example, I watched Kathy Bates ram her car into another repeatedly because she felt she was being disrespected. I saw a Richard Harris shoot his opponent in a card game because he thought his opponent was cheating. His actions were deemed "justifiable" and he was rewarded with "a drink on the house". "Rambo" destroys a town and kills several police officers simply because he had the "right" to be there.

I know. Eyes are rolling everywhere as some say, "Oh, heres another nutjob blaming Hollywood". Well, no, I'm not blaming Hollywood or guns or anyone or anything else. I'm just saying we live in a society that fosters violent behavior. We want a violence free world, but we are fed a constant diet of violence. Its like feeding a kid a steady diet of Happy Meals and Big Macs then blaming them for their obesity.

Yes, the Tucson shooter stands accountable for his despicable actions. The blood of his victims is on his hands. But a world that casts aside morality and embraces violence as entertainment can't help but be splattered by some of that same blood.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

Every generation seems to think the next is worse about violence in their media, I for one think some music has become less violent. For instance what is the equivalent today in country music of Knoxville girl?

She fell down on her bended knees
For mercy she did cry
Oh, Willie dear, don't kill me here
I'm unprepared to die
She never spoke another word
I only beat her more
Until the ground around me
Within her blood did flow.

I took her by her golden curls
And I drug her 'round and 'round
Throwing her into the river
That flows through Knoxville town
Go down, go down, you Knoxville girl
With the dark and roving eyes
Go down, go down, you Knoxville girl
You can never be my bride.

This song ( Recorded in 1924) has had various versions and titles as it has been passed down through the centuries.

The 1920's also gave us Mack the Knife.

Johnny Cash sang about "Shoot[ing] a man in Reno just to watch him die"

These are the radio playable songs, when you throw in guys like David Allen Coe, you can rival any rap lyrics out there for vulgarity.

Digging4Truth · #6 01-15-2011, 06:51 AM

To everyone who is calling for stricter gun laws...

Nice recitation of the desired responses they have worked so hard to teach you. You train well.

OneAccord · #7 01-15-2011, 07:46 AM

I, for one, am not calling for stricter gun control. What we need is more PEOPLE control. Things like self-control. temerance, responsibility.

BTW, who is this "THEY" you are talking about?

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To everyone who is calling for stricter gun laws...

Nice recitation of the desired responses THEY have worked so hard to teach you. You train well.

Digging4Truth · #8 01-15-2011, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

I, for one, am not calling for stricter gun control. What we need is more PEOPLE control. Things like self-control. temerance, responsibility.

BTW, who is this "THEY" you are talking about?

The media, teachers, activists... there are a lot of sources for this line of thinking.

OneAccord · #9 01-15-2011, 08:12 AM

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The media, teachers, activists... there are a lot of sources for this line of thinking.

True. But my line of thinking comes from the Bible that teaches people are held accountable for their actions. That those who live by the sword also die by the sword. And that teaches it wasn't only Pilate that sentenced Jesus to death.

Digging4Truth · #10 01-15-2011, 09:12 AM

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True. But my line of thinking comes from the Bible that teaches people are held accountable for their actions. That those who live by the sword also die by the sword. And that teaches it wasn't only Pilate that sentenced Jesus to death.

Help me understand what you are stating here. I agree with what you are saying but I sense that this is supposed to apply to the Tucson Tragedy in some manner and I'd rather hear what you are saying from you than work with my own faulty assumptions of what another person is attempting to say.