Full salvation

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Historically, it came into use with the advent of Pentecostalism and other "Restorationist" movements. The early practitioners all had to confess that they were introducing something new to the discussion. Thus, they had to distinguish between the "old" salvation and the "new" salvation" without sending their forebears to hell.

Acts 2:38 was something new? I thought it was proclaimed by Peter and the rest of the Apostles on the day of Pentecost? I figure that was about 2000 years ago.

Just because "believers" discarded it did not change what was always there.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I think its a valid term myself. One is obviously not fully saved if they have not done all thats required for one to be saved. There are millions of people who are not "fully saved".

FALSE.

Bunch of half-saved brothers walking around, eh? God who has begun a work is not faithful to the end?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

They recite a little prayer up front at church and the preacher proclaims them "saved"!

Nope, Mizpeh. That's not saved either.

Reciting doesn't save anyone anymore than blabbering spit out of your mouth.

Confessing and believing Jesus as LORD saves. HE saves us. HE does the work.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Historically, it came into use with the advent of Pentecostalism and other "Restorationist" movements. The early practitioners all had to confess that they were introducing something new to the discussion. Thus, they had to distinguish between the "old" salvation and the "new" salvation" without sending their forebears to hell.

Thus, "Full Gospel" groups, including Four Square, etc..

You are correct, historically it was associated with Pentecostalism.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Acts 2:38 was something new? I thought it was proclaimed by Peter and the rest of the Apostles on the day of Pentecost? I figure that was about 2000 years ago.

Just because "believers" discarded it did not change what was always there.

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[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Nope, Mizpeh. That's not saved either.

Reciting doesn't save anyone anymore than blabbering spit out of your mouth.

Confessing and believing Jesus as LORD saves. HE saves us. HE does the work.

You've left out repentance and receiving the Holy Spirit. Not to mention water baptism. All three of these involve the work of the Spirit.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You've left out repentance and receiving the Holy Spirit. Not to mention water baptism. All three of these involve the work of the Spirit.

Yes, they do involve a work of the Spirit. But we are his by by His grace through faith. (I've left nothing out)

Repentance and believing are simultaneous. We can dissect them as we do justification and regeneration, but I truly believe they are simultaneous. And, yes, both are a work of the Spirit. We can't even believe except by the Spirit.


God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Eph 2:8

But we both agree rambling in tongues or reciting a prayer doesn't save you