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Old 01-20-2011, 01:16 PM
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Re: Baptism: Essential or Not

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Salvation begins at repentance/faith/belief. Philip preached Christ to the Samaritans in Acts 8. The Bible says in verse 12 the people believed Philip's message. No contradiction there to what I said.

Acts 9:25 says "other believers" lowered Saul down in a large basket. The inference is that Saul was a believer too.

At what point did Cornelius believe? Acts 10:43 says Peter said, "...everyone who believes in Him will have their sins forgiven..."

I said, or meant to say, that every conversion in Acts includes either repentance OR faith OR belief. Baptism and speaking in tongues is only present 4 out of 18 times.
Personally I believe that salvation does BEGIN at faith. The problem with your and Protestant Evangelical theology is you believe "belief" is the entire new birth experience.

Acts 8 which you use as an example is a good example of what being born again looks like. I dont see how Acts 9:25 proves your point because by the time other believers let Saul down in the basket he had been baptized in water and filled with the Holy Spirit.

Corneilius received the Holy Spirit before being baptized thats true. Yet as soon as he was finished speaking in tongues he and all his household were COMMANDED by the Apostle Peter be BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

I WONDER WHY?

Your comment on conversion misses a big point. Even tho the personal testimony of all that believed concerning the Spirit baptism is not given to us YAH has only seen fit to give us a few examples of what that looks like up close and personal.

It definitly is different than the testimonies of men today who believe they have received the Spirit upon their belief with no dynamic experience.

Actually there IS NO EXAMPLE of this in the book of Acts.
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