Obamacare waiver pandemic

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Esther said, "Both side HAVE abortions, that is not the issue, the issue is Democrats PROMOTE the right to abortions. But I suppose you are okay with that."

No Esther, I am not OK with that. I will never have an abortion, and I will beg any pregnant woman that wants an abortion, to give the baby to me....but then there are some cases that a woman's life is in danger, and the way that it was conceived, that she does not want to go through with taking a chance of losing her life, to have a baby that was conceived by rape. Maybe her husband didn't want to lose her and the baby. There are so many reasons, and if a woman chooses one of them, it should be her choice. We all have to make choices everyday, and there are consequences that goes with our choices.

I remember a time when abortions were not legal, it was a sad time to see full term babies throwed out of dorm windows, in trash cans dead from the cold, or killed by the mother. I don't want to see those images again on the news. The abortion laws that is upheld by the democrats are for the reasons that I have stated above, not for a method of birth control. When laws are made, there are always those who abuse the laws. I do not believe in abortions for birth control, but if it were of one of the circumstances metioned above, I would hope she would have a choice. If a woman wants an abortion and has the money, she can get one, whether it is legal or not legal, either in a sterile clinic or a back alley.

You are pro abortion.

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by coadie

You are pro abortion.

You are pro lies

[aegsm76]

SS – I have made a list of some of your posts.
1. Referring to waivers, you said,
“They were all probably republicans”
2. Referring to the Winston Churchill quote, you said,
“The only ones that I have heard to say, "let them starve" has come from the mouth of a republican. “

3. Referring to abortions, you said
“There are so many reasons, and if a woman chooses one of them, it should be her choice. We all have to make choices everyday, and there are consequences that goes with our choices.

I remember a time when abortions were not legal, it was a sad time to see full term babies throwed out of dorm windows, in trash cans dead from the cold, or killed by the mother. I don't want to see those images again on the news. The abortion laws that is upheld by the democrats are for the reasons that I have stated above, not for a method of birth control. When laws are made, there are always those who abuse the laws. I do not believe in abortions for birth control, but if it were of one of the circumstances metioned above, I would hope she would have a choice. If a woman wants an abortion and has the money, she can get one, whether it is legal or not legal, either in a sterile clinic or a back alley.”
Now to address these.
1. 90% of the waivers were issued to democratic supporters
2. We found that you did not actually hear this and that this came from the mouth of someone who was "supposedly" a member of the Tea Party that was interviewed on TV.
3. The justification of a wrong –abortion- by stating that this solved the problem of babies being killed and abused is not only ridiculous but is a sad commentary on self-justification. Babies are still abused and killed and in greater numbers than before.
You are a perfect example of why liberal talk radio does not succeed.
You cannot back up your statements with actual facts.
I do not mean to come off as mean spirited, but I would discourage you from trying to debate on here, unless you are wanting to educate yourself on these issues.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

You are pro lies

Let us report on lies about abortion.

1 pro chopice. The expression itself is a lie. It is actually pro abortion. The dead baby was not given a choice
2 Planned prenthood. A lie. Killing the baby keeps the mom from being a parent ands the baby was not party to the plan
3 Back alley abortion deaths. The lying libs and Pro choice said what?

"Women must have control over their own bodies."
"Safe and legal abortion is every woman's right."

"Who decides? You decide!"

"Freedom of choice -- a basic American right."

"I remember laughing when we made those slogans up," recalls Bernard Nathanson, M.D., co-founder of pro-abortion group NARAL, reminiscing about the early days of the pro-abortion movement in the late '60s and early '70s.

We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000, but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000."

"Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans, convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law.

http://www.pregnantpause.org/abort/remember-naral.htm

[coadie]

The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200 - 250 annually. The figure constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law.

Now that the abortion is legal, the annual death rate has not fallen.

[Seascapes]

You need to go on the website and get the right information, there has not been 200 deaths of women having abortions, that is a lie.

You say that the baby did not have a choice, neither did the woman that was raped.

Face the facts, women got abortions way before it was made legal, and if the law changes and abortions are not legal anymore, sorry women will still get abortions. There are many back alley doctors that will do it for the money.

Get your heads out of the sand, quit giving false information that you make up or read on some republican blog post, or hear from some dope head (Rush), or a clown like Glenn. Listen to the CDC website and get the right information.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

You need to go on the website and get the right information, there has not been 200 deaths of women having abortions, that is a lie.

You say that the baby did not have a choice, neither did the woman that was raped.

Face the facts, women got abortions way before it was made legal, and if the law changes and abortions are not legal anymore, sorry women will still get abortions. There are many back alley doctors that will do it for the money.

Get your heads out of the sand, quit giving false information that you make up or read on some republican blog post, or hear from some dope head (Rush), or a clown like Glenn. Listen to the CDC website and get the right information.

How about responding to my posts?
I have noticed that you make a habit of not responding to posts that point out flaws in your arguments.
Typical left-wing reasoning.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

You need to go on the website and get the right information, there has not been 200 deaths of women having abortions, that is a lie.

You say that the baby did not have a choice, neither did the woman that was raped.

Face the facts, women got abortions way before it was made legal, and if the law changes and abortions are not legal anymore, sorry women will still get abortions. There are many back alley doctors that will do it for the money.

Get your heads out of the sand, quit giving false information that you make up or read on some republican blog post, or hear from some dope head (Rush), or a clown like Glenn. Listen to the CDC website and get the right information.

The truth is abortuaries have been inspected less and are dirtier than vet clinics.

Tiller the Killer killed many women. Thousand of dead babies.



Pro deathers change the subject to mother safety. They still disregard the life of the unborn. The devil is the father of death and lies.

Seascapes. You made a very dishonest claim. I quoted yesterday facts from the co founder of NARAL. DR Nathanson has the facts and admitted to lies which you still believe. Repentent killers know what they did was wrong.

Dr nathanson concocted the slogans, did the mis information campaigns and performed more than 75,000 killings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Nathanson

http://www.pregnantpause.org/abort/remember-naral.htm

and his testiomony

http://www.priestsforlife.org/testim...nder-of-naral-

[Seascapes]

aegsm76 said – I have made a list of some of your posts.
1. Referring to waivers, you said, “They were all probably republicans”


Seascapes answer...Did you notice the word "probably"? I did not know about the "waivers" until I checked it out, and posted the TRUTH about the "waivers".

2. Referring to the Winston Churchill quote, you said,
“The only ones that I have heard to say, "let them starve" has come from the mouth of a republican. “


Seascapes answer....It was someone from the Tea Party "Republican" that was on Chris Matthews, MSNBC. ...... Now let's look at the facts of the republicans....They wanted to stop giving people unemployment at the first of December, that is why our President caved in to give the tax breaks to the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans to help the unemployed.....They want to do away with the benefits that help many Americans, such as Social Security, Disability, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Aegsm, you know, your actions speaks louder than words..."LET THEM STARVE"

3. Referring to abortions, you said
“There are so many reasons, and if a woman chooses one of them, it should be her choice. We all have to make choices everyday, and there are consequences that goes with our choices.

I remember a time when abortions were not legal, it was a sad time to see full term babies throwed out of dorm windows, in trash cans dead from the cold, or killed by the mother. I don't want to see those images again on the news. The abortion laws that is upheld by the democrats are for the reasons that I have stated above, not for a method of birth control. When laws are made, there are always those who abuse the laws. I do not believe in abortions for birth control, but if it were of one of the circumstances metioned above, I would hope she would have a choice. If a woman wants an abortion and has the money, she can get one, whether it is legal or not legal, either in a sterile clinic or a back alley.”

Seascapes said..You quoted me perfectly clear above, and every word is true.

Aggie said....Now to address these.
1. 90% of the waivers were issued to democratic supporters
2. We found that you did not actually hear this and that this came from the mouth of someone who was "supposedly" a member of the Tea Party that was interviewed on TV.
3. The justification of a wrong –abortion- by stating that this solved the problem of babies being killed and abused is not only ridiculous but is a sad commentary on self-justification. Babies are still abused and killed and in greater numbers than before.
You are a perfect example of why liberal talk radio does not succeed.
You cannot back up your statements with actual facts.
I do not mean to come off as mean spirited, but I would discourage you from trying to debate on here, unless you are wanting to educate yourself on these issues.

Seascapes response to the above remarks.... You don't even know what a "waiver" is.... Did you not read my post from the website?

If you had read from the website of the CDC, that I posted, you would see that it is a noted fact that abortions are declining, so your statement #3 is in error. Your last statement about backing up facts, ....it is YOU that can't back up your facts. And by the way, do you want the liberal talk radio to succeed? I thought that you republicans call democrats liberals. Oh well, I don't listen to the radio anyway.

And your advice to me about debating, it is you that gets in the debating mode, I just post my opinion and facts, to help educate YOU to what is happening in the world, seems that you need to study and research more other than the blogs of others.

I believe that I have answered you completely, you can go and get a hanky now.

Your friend, Seascapes

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

And your advice to me about debating, it is you that gets in the debating mode, I just post my opinion and facts, to help educate YOU to what is happening in the world, seems that you need to study and research more other than the blogs of others.[/B]

All I have seen is opinion from you and regurgitated "research" from the dishonest leftist media.