Prodigal Son Distorted by FB Pastor - Page 19

Socialite · #**181** 02-02-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't believe I ever said I disagreed with Rob. He also stated that there were more angles to the story. OA wrote an excellent article focusing on the elder son. Rob pointed out, his view, concerning the prodigal son.

Romans 1:5 starts out by saying that we have received BOTH grace and apostleship because of our obedience. Why do you want to skip over that portion of scripture. Many things we obtain are contingent upon our thoughts, actions and always our obedience. Cornelius' household, after receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost were "commanded" to be baptized. I assume the obeyed that command.

Part of the story is about rules. Commandment for a better word, since rules seem to have a scratching chalkboard sound. LOL! The reason why is because the prodigal son confessed that he sinned against heaven. He would have to know the laws of God to know he had done that very thing.

Really curious about your ideas concerning interpretation. Read Maxi's posts and let me know. Who determines meaning?

Romans 1:5

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Through Christ, God has given us the privilege[c] and authority as apostles to tell Gentiles everywhere what God has done for them, so that they will believe and obey him, bringing glory to his name.

Not sure what point you are drawing out, PO.

God chose you -- you didn't choose Him.

The younger son was a sinner. That's what we get from the story. Rules, as was stated in Rob's post, is not a central, or even present component in the story. One has to project them into the story. It seems suspicious that we want to project that into the story to begin with. For what purpose?

This particular story has a point, purpose and message. Luke seems to be in on this as he's recording it. The focus is not rules -- it's the fact that he is a sinner in extravagant ways, while the father is loving in even more extravagant and yes, shameful, ways. Meanwhile, the elder brother, the one stuck in rules mode, earning it, etc is burning with hatred over this.

Pressing-On · #**182** 02-02-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

compared with Rob's words:
pared with Rob's words:

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Quote:Why did he come home?
Why did he come home?
He decided that he could handle living with the Father's rules as long as he could enjoy Daddy's fried chicken.

Having trouble keeping up with you this time.

Okay, I see what you were referring to. I didn't read the whole thread, so I missed this. So, no, I don't agree with Rob on that point.

I want to view the son as "coming to himself" and realizing that what he had done was against God and his father. I want to view that as him wanting to make things right. I want the story to reflect deep love. Did I say that's what I want.

Socialite · #**183** 02-02-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I took that as "works of the law" and not of obedience, i.e., "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." Hebrews 10:4

Huh?

Socialite · #**184** 02-02-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Okay, I see what you were referring to. I didn't read the whole thread, so I missed this. So, no, I don't agree with Rob on that point.

I want to view the son as "coming to himself" and realizing that what he had done was against God and his father. I want to view that as him wanting to make things right. I want the story to reflect deep love. Did I say that's what I want.

OneAccord · #**185** 02-02-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Heard that somewhere before. LOL!

Well, I am sorry that you are sick and I will pray that you will, very shortly, be sitting on a family friendly beach with a tall glass of lemonade. Oh snap, I just got you married. Gotta watch what we pray for!! LOL!

No, no...pray THAT! Pray hard too. Tired of cookin' my own meals...doin my own laundry... scrubbin my own floors. Pray that she will be obedient, submissive and know her place is in the kitchen and won't be upsurpin' my authority. And, while you're at it, pray shes rich, cuz I'm tired of workin all the time.

Might be an unattached female type right here on AFF that fits the bill.

Pressing-On · #**186** 02-02-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

Really curious about your ideas concerning interpretation. Read Maxi's posts and let me know. Who determines meaning?

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Romans 1:5
Through Christ, God has given us the privilege[c] and authority as apostles to tell Gentiles everywhere what God has done for them, so that they will believe and obey him, bringing glory to his name.

Not sure what point you are drawing out, PO.

What in the world translation is that?

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God chose you -- you didn't choose Him.

Certainly, for every man is drawn by His Spirit, but I don't have to receive Him. I would need to be obedient to receive Him.

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The younger son was a sinner. That's what we get from the story. Rules, as was stated in Rob's post, is not a central, or even present component in the story. One has to project them into the story. It seems suspicious that we want to project that into the story to begin with. For what purpose?

I see why you are suspicious, but doesn't rebellion generally involve the rejection of rules?

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This particular story has a point, purpose and message. Luke seems to be in on this as he's recording it. The focus is not rules -- it's the fact that he is a sinner in extravagant ways, while the father is loving in even more extravagant and yes, shameful, ways. Meanwhile, the elder brother, the one stuck in rules mode, earning it, etc is burning with hatred over this.

There is your "rule mode" again. If the elder brother was stuck in a "rule mode", then it only stands to reason the prodigal walked away from it. The elder brother was not rebellious, hence, he followed the rules. He obeyed his father. He just felt he was the better for it. But love covers a multitude of sin and that is a larger order. Something the elder son didn't understand. But, I think he may have learned it from his father's example. Perhaps not right away, but in time.

Pressing-On · #**187** 02-02-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

No, no...pray THAT! Pray hard too. Tired of cookin' my own meals...doin my own laundry... scrubbin my own floors. Pray that she will be obedient, submissive and know her place is in the kitchen and won't be upsurpin' my authority. And, while you're at it, pray shes rich, cuz I'm tired of workin all the time.

Might be an unattached female type right here on AFF that fits the bill.

You don't want a rich woman. I think you don't really care. You just want her to love you. And I will pray for that and I believe that God will answer our prayers. Can I get a finders fee?

Pressing-On · #**188** 02-02-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

LOL! And YOU want him to have a scheming, prepared speech.

rgcraig · #**189** 02-02-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

No, no...pray THAT! Pray hard too. Tired of cookin' my own meals...doin my own laundry... scrubbin my own floors. Pray that she will be obedient, submissive and know her place is in the kitchen and won't be upsurpin' my authority. And, while you're at it, pray shes rich, cuz I'm tired of workin all the time.

Might be an unattached female type right here on AFF that fits the bill.

So you want a housekeeper?

Pressing-On · #**190** 02-02-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

Huh?

There are two kinds of works. One that can't earn you anything and one that must be done to show our faith. "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" James 2:14 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17