Obamacare waiver pandemic

[Seascapes]

Of course coadie, that is your republican opinion. I do put the websites (that are from someone's blog post),... as to where I get my facts, and of course my experience in knowing to be the facts of the past, because I was there....LOL

Most of the time when I throw up it is to the right, on the republican lies.

Your friend, Seascapes

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

aegsm76 said – I have made a list of some of your posts.
1. Referring to waivers, you said, “They were all probably republicans”


Seascapes answer...Did you notice the word "probably"? I did not know about the "waivers" until I checked it out, and posted the TRUTH about the "waivers".

So you were commenting on something that you were not knowledgeable about. Hmmmmm

2. Referring to the Winston Churchill quote, you said,
“The only ones that I have heard to say, "let them starve" has come from the mouth of a republican. “


Seascapes answer....It was someone from the Tea Party "Republican" that was on Chris Matthews, MSNBC. ...... Now let's look at the facts of the republicans....They wanted to stop giving people unemployment at the first of December, that is why our President caved in to give the tax breaks to the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans to help the unemployed.....They want to do away with the benefits that help many Americans, such as Social Security, Disability, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Aegsm, you know, your actions speaks louder than words..."LET THEM STARVE"

Wow, so many things to address, here.
I love how you take one comment by a nameless someone on TV and make it a blanket application for all Republicans/Tea Party members.
Not very logical.
Let me ask you this.
How long should unemployment be paid to people?
1 year, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, how long?
Also, the part you put in about my actions was a personal shot that you really have no knowledge about.
I had not noticed you doing this before and it really had no point to being placed here.

3. Referring to abortions, you said
“There are so many reasons, and if a woman chooses one of them, it should be her choice. We all have to make choices everyday, and there are consequences that goes with our choices.

I remember a time when abortions were not legal, it was a sad time to see full term babies throwed out of dorm windows, in trash cans dead from the cold, or killed by the mother. I don't want to see those images again on the news. The abortion laws that is upheld by the democrats are for the reasons that I have stated above, not for a method of birth control. When laws are made, there are always those who abuse the laws. I do not believe in abortions for birth control, but if it were of one of the circumstances metioned above, I would hope she would have a choice. If a woman wants an abortion and has the money, she can get one, whether it is legal or not legal, either in a sterile clinic or a back alley.”

Seascapes said..You quoted me perfectly clear above, and every word is true.

Again, so now that abortions are legal, we never see "full term babies throwed out of dorm windows, in trash cans dead from the cold, or killed by the mother."
You know that is untrue.

Aggie said....Now to address these.
1. 90% of the waivers were issued to democratic supporters
2. We found that you did not actually hear this and that this came from the mouth of someone who was "supposedly" a member of the Tea Party that was interviewed on TV.
3. The justification of a wrong –abortion- by stating that this solved the problem of babies being killed and abused is not only ridiculous but is a sad commentary on self-justification. Babies are still abused and killed and in greater numbers than before.
You are a perfect example of why liberal talk radio does not succeed.
You cannot back up your statements with actual facts.
I do not mean to come off as mean spirited, but I would discourage you from trying to debate on here, unless you are wanting to educate yourself on these issues.

Seascapes response to the above remarks.... You don't even know what a "waiver" is.... Did you not read my post from the website?

If you had read from the website of the CDC, that I posted, you would see that it is a noted fact that abortions are declining, so your statement #3 is in error. Your last statement about backing up facts, ....it is YOU that can't back up your facts. And by the way, do you want the liberal talk radio to succeed? I thought that you republicans call democrats liberals. Oh well, I don't listen to the radio anyway.

And your advice to me about debating, it is you that gets in the debating mode, I just post my opinion and facts, to help educate YOU to what is happening in the world, seems that you need to study and research more other than the blogs of others.

I believe that I have answered you completely, you can go and get a hanky now.

Your friend, Seascapes

Great reply - "You don't even know what a "waiver" is.... Did you not read my post from the website?" - but I think you were the one who was not educated about the waiver and the waiver process. I am in the healthcare industry. I believe I probably know more about the Healthcare bill than anyone on here. I have had numerous briefings with my companies legal team about it. And by the way, we had a "seat at the table" with both parties in developing this monster.
Also, I said nothing about abortions increasing. I stated that child abuse was increasing, which is backed up by the link, here:
http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics
Lastly, you have not disputed any facts or even any of my opinions with your links, opinions or "facts", so I don't need the hanky!
But thanks for the offer!
Your brother in Christ, aegsm76

[canam]

Obama was walking through his old neighborhood when a young boy tried to sell him some new born kittens, but their Democrat kittens Mr President, as Obama walked away laughing. On his return trip he saw the same young man telling another potential customer they were Republicans ,so he walked up to the kid and said hey, you told me yesterday they were Dems ,the young man replied yeah, but today they opened their eyes Mr President. Heres to ya SS !!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by canam

Pentecostal Dem ? lol, Well you know what they say, 'if your not a republican before your 30, you have no brain, if your not a republican after you turn 30, you have no heart "!! Your call !!

I think you've managed to get that backward. Please, you're embarrassing me in front of Twispy and the other political Liberals.

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” - Winston Churchill

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Esther said, "Both side HAVE abortions, that is not the issue, the issue is Democrats PROMOTE the right to abortions. But I suppose you are okay with that."

No Esther, I am not OK with that. I will never have an abortion, and I will beg any pregnant woman that wants an abortion, to give the baby to me....but then there are some cases that a woman's life is in danger, and the way that it was conceived, that she does not want to go through with taking a chance of losing her life, to have a baby that was conceived by rape. Maybe her husband didn't want to lose her and the baby. There are so many reasons, and if a woman chooses one of them, it should be her choice. We all have to make choices everyday, and there are consequences that goes with our choices.

I remember a time when abortions were not legal, it was a sad time to see full term babies throwed out of dorm windows, in trash cans dead from the cold, or killed by the mother. I don't want to see those images again on the news. The abortion laws that is upheld by the democrats are for the reasons that I have stated above, not for a method of birth control. When laws are made, there are always those who abuse the laws. I do not believe in abortions for birth control, but if it were of one of the circumstances metioned above, I would hope she would have a choice. If a woman wants an abortion and has the money, she can get one, whether it is legal or not legal, either in a sterile clinic or a back alley.

I see you agree with the Prochoice group, which is where the Dems stand.

Also, I can't for the life of me understand how so many people don't call this what it is, BIRTH CONTROL!

IF all these women are raped then where is the rape charge?

I'm sorry I'm not that stupid. This is a government paid birth control. Plain and simple. But worse than that, it is an abomination to God. For ME, I can't believe anyone is a Christian that supports killing innocent babies.

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by Esther

I see you agree with the Prochoice group, which is where the Dems stand.

Also, I can't for the life of me understand how so many people don't call this what it is, BIRTH CONTROL!

IF all these women are raped then where is the rape charge?

I'm sorry I'm not that stupid. This is a government paid birth control. Plain and simple. But worse than that, it is an abomination to God. For ME, I can't believe anyone is a Christian that supports killing innocent babies.

Esther, I did not say that every woman that has an abortion is raped. I said that if a woman that was raped and conceived a baby, that she should have that CHOICE, to have an abortion or to carry the baby to full term (remembering the violence of how it was conceived, and with the chance that she could die giving birth) That is her choice, not mine, or yours, but HERS. If she chooses to have an abortion, it would be nice to have it in a sterile clinic, instead of a basement.

Speaking about BIRTH CONTROL, most women take a pill every night or a pill the next morning to keep from having a baby. The abortion law was never meant for that reason, but like all benefits that helps some, there are those that abuse and misuse. I would like to see that part changed, where only the ones that were raped or the health of the mother could be legal only. But still Esther, the ones that wants an abortion will find that basement and still get the abortion whether it is legal or not, like it has been done back in the 60's.

I do vote democrat, because I believe in most of the issues of the democrats, such as...Social Security, Disability, Public Schools, Medicare, Medicaid, helping the working middle class, having insurance for all people. I would not vote republican because they are against all of these issues. So I weigh the advantages and disadvantages, and the democrats fit me best.

I do agree with the Pro-Choice group partly, but only under certain circumstances.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Esther, I did not say that every woman that has an abortion is raped. I said that if a woman that was raped and conceived a baby, that she should have that CHOICE, to have an abortion or to carry the baby to full term (remembering the violence of how it was conceived, and with the chance that she could die giving birth) That is her choice, not mine, or yours, but HERS. If she chooses to have an abortion, it would be nice to have it in a sterile clinic, instead of a basement.

Speaking about BIRTH CONTROL, most women take a pill every night or a pill the next morning to keep from having a baby. The abortion law was never meant for that reason, but like all benefits that helps some, there are those that abuse and misuse. I would like to see that part changed, where only the ones that were raped or the health of the mother could be legal only. But still Esther, the ones that wants an abortion will find that basement and still get the abortion whether it is legal or not, like it has been done back in the 60's.

I do vote democrat, because I believe in most of the issues of the democrats, such as...Social Security, Disability, Public Schools, Medicare, Medicaid, helping the working middle class, having insurance for all people. I would not vote republican because they are against all of these issues. So I weigh the advantages and disadvantages, and the democrats fit me best.

I do agree with the Pro-Choice group partly, but only under certain circumstances.

So we need to make cocain legal becsuse people will find it illeggaly if we don't?

Roe Wade was the case to the supreme court. It was based on a handfull of lies. Norma wasn't raped and she didn't abort.

Roe v. WadeIn 1969, at the age of 21, while working low-paying jobs and living with her father, McCorvey became pregnant a third time. She returned to Dallas, where friends advised her to assert falsely that she had been raped, as she would then be eligible to obtain a legal abortion (with the understanding that Texas's anti-abortion laws allowed abortion in the cases of rape and incest). Due to lack of police evidence or documentation, the scheme was not successful and McCorvey would later admit the situation was a fabrication.[5][6] She attempted to obtain an illegal abortion, but the respective clinics had been closed down by authorities. Eventually, McCorvey was referred to attorneys Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington.[7] The case took three years of trials to reach the United States Supreme Court. In the meantime, McCorvey had given birth to the baby in question, who was eventually adopted.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_McCorvey

I know Seascapes is pushing a lot of false claims about back alley abortions. That is the NARAL and PP agenda.

[coadie]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?article_id=44779

Many of the worlds filthiest places are legal abortion clinics.

Detective William Howard of the Kansas City Police Department responded.

"I thought I had heard and seen every vile, disgusting crime scene, but was in for a new shock when I started this investigation," he would say later. Howard turned the matter over to the local district attorney and three state agencies.

Topping the list of horrors was an employee's account that she and others witnessed Rajanna "microwave one of the aborted fetuses and stir it into his lunch," as Howard recalled earlier this year when testifying before a Kansas House committee.

Rajanna denied the accusation. But he did keep fetuses in Styrofoam cups in the refrigerator along with food and drink.

"Dr. Rajanna lacked personal hygiene," testified Howard. "His hair was messy, hands dirty, and his clothing was wrinkled and stained. He put on old, used foot booties while we were there."

Howard testified the clinic was dark, dingy, had poor lighting and smelled musty. There were dirty dishes in the break-room sink and on the table, trash everywhere, and roaches crawling on the countertops. Howard was afraid to sit down.

Howard noted there were no hazardous waste containers anywhere. (An employee later testified Rajanna took home all contaminated, medical and biohazard waste for residential trash pick-up.)

As for the "procedure room," Howard's partner spotted dried blood on the floor and said the room looked "nasty."



Read more: Abortionist accused <br>of eating fetuses http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=30815#ixzz1CuBHvlVx

[Seascapes]

aegsm....here are the facts about your forum post, it is evident that you didn't know what you were talking about...

What are waivers?

Waivers only last for one year and are only available if the plan certifies that a waiver is necessary to prevent either a large increase in premiums or a significant decrease in access to coverage. In addition, enrollees must be informed that their plan does not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. No other provision of the Affordable Care Act is affected by these waivers: they only apply to the annual limit policy.

As of today, a total of 733 waivers have been granted for 2011. Key facts about annual limits waivers:

There was an increase in the number of applications received at the end of 2010 because December 1 was the final day to apply for a waiver for a plan or policy year that begins on January 1 – as many plans do. Over 500 waivers were granted in December. While the number of approved waivers increased by more than 200 percent, the total number of enrollees in plans receiving waivers has increased by only 48 percent since the previous posting.

Then here is the website that has the TRUE facts about abortions regarding race, which you said that more blacks has abortions, not true ! Go to the website that collects this type of info ......

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealt...tats/index.htm

I realize the truth hurts. Don't say that I don't back my info up, here it is the second time.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by coadie

A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions.

Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

Seascapes says this post is false.