The Role of a Pastor - Page 3

Coonskinner · #21 02-09-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by missourimary

That was what I thought for a long time too. I had the impression, though I'm not sure it was blatantly taught, that Mt 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell," was referring to pastors, and if my pastor thought badly of me, Jesus automatically would, too.

Wow.

Never heard of that one.

missourimary · #22 02-09-2011, 11:13 AM

The reasoning was that if we needed to be in a good church to go to heaven, to forsake not the assembling of ourselves, and if we needed to be in submission to a good pastor, and the pastor threw us out, then he was essentially condemning us to hell. Especially if other churches followed the manual and wouldn't accept those who tried to transfer without a letter of recommendation. Therefore, if the pastor wasn't happy with us, he could condemn us.

I now love Rom 8:31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Truthseeker · #23 02-09-2011, 11:16 AM

Abusive carnal witchcraft pastors sure make it hard for the true blue pastors.

Coonskinner · #24 02-09-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by missourimary

The reasoning was that if we needed to be in a good church to go to heaven, to forsake not the assembling of ourselves, and if we needed to be in submission to a good pastor, and the pastor threw us out, then he was essentially condemning us to hell. Especially if other churches followed the manual and wouldn't accept those who tried to transfer without a letter of recommendation. Therefore, if the pastor wasn't happy with us, he could condemn us.

I now love Rom 8:31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Scripture never contradicts itself.

Line upon line, precept upon precept.

We have to take it all. The Bible isn't a buffet where we select what we like and pass on the rest.

RandyWayne · #25 02-09-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Abusive carnal witchcraft pastors sure make it hard for the true blue pastors.

I've known both as well as some who were between the two (which are almost worse than the 'abusive carnal witchcraft' types).

You just need to remember to question and not assume ever utterance out of their mouths is God Himself talking to you. And.... any pastoral authority, assumed or not, stops at the home. Meaning, he does not have any say in what goes on behind the closed doors of your house -or where you choose to have said house. (I'm not saying you have the right to beat your wife and kids and he can't do anything about it. If I knew someone was doing that I would call the cops and would hope he would too.... I'm referring to a normal family living a life they believe is best for them.)

Elizabeth · #26 02-09-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by missourimary

My personal thought is that it's not beneficial to us right now if those who "watch for our souls" are doing so with grief. Deliberately making my leaders miserable has no benefit for me, whereas cooperation and respect often bring great benefit.

Oh I love how you worded this! Could not have been said any better.

Elizabeth · #27 02-09-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I've known both as well as some who were between the two (which are almost worse than the 'abusive carnal witchcraft' types).

You just need to remember to question and not assume ever utterance out of their mouths is God Himself talking to you. And.... any pastoral authority, assumed or not, stops at the home.

I think because there have been pastors that have abused their authority, when does God speak through a man it is almost disregarded because of past experiences.

In our 10yrs of pastoring it seems it takes a long time for people to trust you. They no longer see a pastor as a gift to body, but more or less an entity that needs to be challenged. Well when you know what you are teaching is in the word of God you have nothing to fear.

But it never seems to fare very well for those that constantly have to challenge every little thing. Just from what I have seen.

Socialite · #28 02-09-2011, 12:21 PM

A pastor is your Moses! Your intermediary between you and God. He answers for your soul. He is to create rules, dictate how you should live your life, even drawing minute rules inside of the broad scriptural principles we have inherited. The Pastor will get a Word for you if you need one. The Pastor will be obedient for you -- you only need to be obedient to him. You should never question your pastor. Never hold him accountable. You should do what you are told. No questions asked (unless, of course, he's telling you to hurt someone, or to do something extremely unethical). The Pastor has the mantle, the authority and power of God, you should respect that, be fearful of that, to the point that any criticism of something your pastor says you should know you could be judged on the spot. The pastor is the head honcho of the priesthood, the business officers (CEO) and the only one who comes up with ideas.

That's the role of the pastor!

TIC

Maximilian · #29 02-09-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

A pastor is your Moses! Your intermediary between you and God. He answers for your soul. He is to create rules, dictate how you should live your life, even drawing minute rules inside of the broad scriptural principles we have inherited. The Pastor will get a Word for you if you need one. The Pastor will be obedient for you -- you only need to be obedient to him. You should never question your pastor. Never hold him accountable. You should do what you are told. No questions asked (unless, of course, he's telling you to hurt someone, or to do something extremely unethical). The Pastor has the mantle, the authority and power of God, you should respect that, be fearful of that, to the point that any criticism of something your pastor says you should know you could be judged on the spot. The pastor is the head honcho of the priesthood, the business officers (CEO) and the only one who comes up with ideas.

That's the role of the pastor!

TIC

Coonskinner · #30 02-09-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I think because there have been pastors that have abused their authority, when does God speak through a man it is almost disregarded because of past experiences.

In our 10yrs of pastoring it seems it takes a long time for people to trust you. They no longer see a pastor as a gift to body, but more or less an entity that needs to be challenged. Well when you know what you are teaching is in the word of God you have nothing to fear.

But it never seems to fare very well for those that constantly have to challenge every little thing. Just from what I have seen.

I have been singularly blessed in that the precious saints I have served as pastor have treated me with kindness and respect.

I have very, very few horror stories to tell.

It may not be politically correct to say this, but I have been treated better by saints than I have other ministers, for the most part.

Well, actually I have been treated well by the ministry also, with a few very notable exceptions.

My experiences with saints has been overwhelmingly positive.

Even those who chose not to live what I preached and walked away for the most part have remained friendly with me and seem to appreciate me and my wife.

God has been good to me and so have His people.