Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I just checked. Yep. I still believe in women preachers.

and the local one trick poney is still trying out his trick

dude, we didnt clap for you the first time, why do you expect us to after attempt number 500?

Full well you reject the commandments of God that you may keep your own tradition. Not asking you to 'clap,' just believe the Bible!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

God grief dude...did you not read what I just posted??? Junias is a MASCULINE, 3rd Declension noun.....it's NOT feminine! Man...what in the world is wrong w/ you people??????????? Do you know the imporatnce of a 3rd declension noun?

No. I don't. Tell me.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Women apostles using romans 16 is stretching things:

here's how amplified put it's

Rom 16:7

7 Remember me to Andronicus and Junias, my tribal kinsmen and once my fellow prisoners. They are men held in high esteem among the apostles, who also were in Christ before I was.
AMP

Trust me...you're wasting your time w/ this bunch. They're like concrete, all mixed up & thoroughly set!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Can you rub your belly and talk at the same time? Good grief!

There is no fallacy! Quit making things up. You find me a hermeneutics professor, someone experienced with exegesis, etc that will claim men should greet each other with a kiss today. You are showing your subjectivity to the core -- not even able to validate this tiny argument because you think it leaves the other argument vulnerable. Let the argument about women as eldering pastors stand as it is, it doesn't mean you have to write ludicrous things like we should still be greeting each others with kisses because "that's what the Bible says."

Cultural relevance is a part of biblical interpretation. It amazes me when you spit on that with such disdain. I would apply the same criteria to the kiss as I do to the whole Bible. Shall I open a hermeneutics textbook and just copy/paste examples ad infinitude for you?

Have demonstrated the differences in the greeting PRINCIPLE & order of creation ad nauseum. As usual, you just plod along like I've not addressed it! Will not just sit here & repeat myself all day......................go back & "calm down" & re-read!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

Trust me...you're wasting your time w/ this bunch. They're like concrete, all mixed up & thoroughly set!

You have the worst attitude -- it's almost as if you are a) trying to prove to everyone how smart you think you are, b)making up for how dumb you feel or c) extremely bored, antagonistic and really a long-term troll.

The only "thoroughly set" one here is you. I've changed my positions many times, and have admitted I was wrong on subjects many times. When's the last time that happened for you???

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

Have demonstrated the differences in the greeting PRINCIPLE & order of creation ad nauseum. As usual, you just plod along like I've not addressed it! Will not just sit here & repeat myself all day......................go back & "calm down" & re-read!

Boy, you can really provoke a man to cuss words...

What the heck are you talking about?????????

I'm convinced you're not even reading. You are just browsing "trigger words" and firing back.

Twilight zone...

State your differences. But you haven't even settled the fact yet that kissing men is culturally limited. You just keep screaming it's not the same as 1 Tim. Okay... when did I say it was??????????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Socialite

No. I don't. Tell me.

Genders are realized in Koine' Greek by the suffix of a term. You 1st, 2nd, & 3rd. declensions. The other 2 declensions indicate neuter or feminine. This term is 3rd declension, which indicates MASCULINE...not feminine!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by rdp

God grief dude...did you not read what I just posted??? Junias is a MASCULINE, 3rd Declension noun.....it's NOT feminine! Man...what in the world is wrong w/ you people??????????? Do you know the imporatnce of a 3rd declension noun?

Again, it's Junia not Junias. Maybe you can't get it right in greek because you can't get it right in english?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by rdp

Genders are realized in Koine' Greek by the suffix of a term. You 1st, 2nd, & 3rd. declensions. The other 2 declensions indicate neuter or feminine. This term is 3rd declension, which indicates MASCULINE...not feminine!

In linguistics, declension is the inflection of nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and articles to indicate number (at least singular and plural), case (nominative or subjective, genitive or possessive, etc.), and gender. A declension is also a group of nouns that follow a particular pattern of inflection.

So what's the name in it the Greek translation? (I would assume a person's name is a bit more difficult rather than the a noun). But when you say "it's 3rd declension" are you referring to a specific pronoun or the name itself?

[Praxeas]

On "Junia"

Net bible commentary:sn The feminine name Junia, though common in Latin, is quite rare in Greek (apparently only three instances of it occur in Greek literature outside Rom 16:7, according to the data in the TLG [D. Moo, Romans [NICNT], 922]). The masculine Junias (as a contraction for Junianas), however, is rarer still: Only one instance of the masculine name is known in extant Greek literature (Epiphanius mentions Junias in his Index discipulorum 125). Further, since there are apparently other husband-wife teams mentioned in this salutation (Prisca and Aquila [v. 3], Philologus and Julia [v. 15]), it might be natural to think of Junia as a feminine name. (This ought not be pressed too far, however, for in v. 12 all three individuals are women [though the first two are linked together], and in vv. 9–11 all the individuals are men.) In Greek only a difference of accent distinguishes between Junias (male) and Junia (female). If it refers to a woman, it is possible (1) that she had the gift of apostleship (not the office), or (2) that she was not an apostle but along with Andronicus was esteemed by (or among) the apostles. As well, the term “prominent” probably means “well known,” suggesting that Andronicus and Junia(s) were well known to the apostles (see note on the phrase “well known” which follows).
Biblical Studies Press. (2006; 2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Ro 16:6–7). Biblical Studies Press.

Ἰουνία, ας, ἡ (SEG XVIII, 143 [c. 43 A.D.]; on the form s. Mlt-H. 155) Junia, compatriot or relative of Paul, one who like Paul suffered imprisonment, and distinguished among the apostles Ro 16:7 v.l. Ancient commentators took Andr. and Junia as a married couple. Some patristic identification (JFitzmyer, Anchor Bible: Romans, ’93, 737f) favors the reading of her name in the text (so NRSV, REB; RCervin, NTS 40, ’94, 464–70); in opposition to this identification Ltzm. (Hdb. ad loc.), who offers no evidence to support his statement that the context appears to exclude her from consideration. Moreover, unlike Ἰουνιᾶν (s. next entry), the form Ἰουνίαν is actually found so accented in some mss. (s. N. app.). For apostolic prestige accorded a woman s. Aa I, 235 app. ln. 2: ἰσαπόστολος of Thecla.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed.) (480). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

7. Andronicus and Junia—or, as it might be, “Junias,” a contracted form of “Junianus”; in this case, it is a man’s name. But if, as is more probable, the word be, as in our version, “Junia,” the person meant was no doubt either the wife or the sister of Andronicus.
Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., Fausset, A. R., Brown, D., & Brown, D. (1997). A commentary, critical and explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments (Ro 16:7). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.


Others, however, were impressed by the facts that (1) the female Latin name Junia occurs more than 250 times in Greek and Latin inscriptions found in Rome alone, whereas the male name Junias is unattested anywhere, and (2) when Greek manuscripts began to be accented, scribes wrote the feminine Ἰουνίαν (“Junia”). (For recent discussions, see R. R. Schulz in Expository Times, IIC (1986–87), pp. 108–110; J. A. Fitzmyer, Romans (Anchor Bible Commentary, 1993), pp. 737 f.; and R. S. Cervin in New Testament Studies, XL (1994), pp. 464–470.)
The “A” decision of the Committee must be understood as applicable only as to the spelling of the name Ἰουνιαν, not the accentuation.
Metzger, B. M., & United Bible Societies. (1994). A textual commentary on the Greek New Testament, second edition a companion volume to the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament (4th rev. ed.) (475–476). London; New York: United Bible Societies.