The topic is all sin is remittted at the cross before I was born.
those who baptize for remission (as the word of God says) live in unbelief in the power of the cross....
please note, that second part means I am a heritic, seperated from God with no access to him...as according to a later post by Adino, unbelief is the only unpardonable sin...(wich I now think may be where he wanted to go in the first place but that would be for him to admit)
Oh, Ferd... now you know how people who have never spoken in tongues feel everyday.
You are also connecting dots and creating points Adino never said explicitly. If that's how you read it, then that's what it is.
Do I believe most Christians don't have an adequate view of the cross? Yes. Does that mean they "live in unbelief?" No. Does that mean that sometimes they don't trust God's work like they should? Yes? Is that sin? Absolutely. Do we all still sin and is God still saving us? Yes.
There is plenty of scripture to identify that at the cross, all our sins were put on Jesus and his resurrection is proof of the remittance. We remain dead in sin, though -- and "turning to God" (ie repentance) is how we are made alive in Christ.
MissBrattified and Prax, you are both guilty of the unpardonable sin. In fact, all of you who came out of the traditional Oneness Pentecostal church where Acts 2:38 was taught, cannot be saved....even if you have repented of it.
You don't believe that unbelief keeps us dead in sin?
Because your 3-stepper grid wouldn't let you listen and consider what was being discussed, which was "are sins remitted in baptism?" This is clearly what's in view and the subject at-hand. How repentance works out in that, if you read the post, has been thoroughly fleshed out.
So since the two of you needed an explanation, and didn't understand the original post (no excuse to make assumptions and get all vile and ugly), you can just keep reading to hear it fleshed out. But here we are, still speculating on the original post.
Im sorry my friend. I dont do assumptions and I didnt here. It is Adino's job to lay out the argument.
I took him at his word. as he later fleshed it out, it became even more interesting...er...
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The command to repent is a command to turn back to God. One can only turn back to God (i.e., repent) THROUGH faith in the risen Christ. One can only turn back to God by trusting in the fact that Christ, 2000 years ago, removed that which kept us separated from God. We can return to fellowship with God because Christ's death resulted in the remission of our sins before God. Having obtained forgiveness of our sins Christ was brought back to life and now sits on the right hand of God forever declaring God's historic forgiveness of our sins. #278
To understand with the heart and 'convert' in Isaiah 6:10 meant to 'return to God in faith' or to 'repent.' To "be healed” meant to be 'made whole' or to have one's conscience 'purged from sin.' It meant to experience forgiveness.
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert (i.e., repent), and be healed (i.e., experience forgiveness).
Those who repented would experience forgiveness.
Mark 4:11-12 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. #239
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i dont believe that believing sins are remitted when one repents and is bapitzed in Jesus name is the unpardonable sin.
have you ever believed such? if so you might as well abondon God for your sin cannot be forgiven.
THIS is what Adino has stated.
Does Adino? Did he say that? Adino? Where are you?
I do believe we should come to know the power of the Cross in a better way than most of us do now. That God paid the price for us, he bore our sins, took the wrath of God already in our place --- beyond theologizing that, I wish we truly believed that.
I read the actual words in the post and responded.
I was then instructed on what I was supposed to read deeper meaning into the post.
the issue here is that I did not impose enough... of the right stuff... to get to the heart of the deception being brought forth with great aplomb and intellectual acumen
C'mon bro. You can honestly disagree with someone without resorting to their being "deceptive." Just say you disagree and share a Loritab. It's cool.
Does Adino? Did he say that? Adino? Where are you?
I do believe we should come to know the power of the Cross in a better way than most of us do now. That God paid the price for us, he bore our sins, took the wrath of God already in our place --- beyond theologizing that, I wish we truly believed that.
Socialite, we have found something to agree on! strip away all the theology and where this happens and what that word means and just talk in the language of the every day person and you and I agree that we far too often fail to understand the power of the Cross.
i also believe (I bet you will agree with this too) that we have utterly failed to truely explain what it means to repent.
while it is true that repenence works "Godly sorrow" we far too often want repenance to be about being sorry and crying and nashing teeth, when in simplicity it means turning to the Cross. It is the cross that changes us.
there are other things that we may not agree on... but in this there is common ground I suspect.
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