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[faithit166]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Maybe you can help interpret this passage, Faith....

Romans10: 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

romans to the book of jude are letters to the church those who already have obeyed acts 2;38 you do not find the plan of salvation there those letters are for those who already in christ jesus

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by faithit166

romans to the book of jude are letters to the church those who already have obeyed acts 2;38 you do not find the plan of salvation there those letters are for those who already in christ jesus

If the letters are to the church members, why does Paul say "Shall be saved" as in future state brought about by present actions?

If these letters were to saved people, wouldn't he say "Whosoever continues to call on the Lord will continue to be saved?"

And, what makes you say that the "plan of salvation" as you call it is not contained in Romans?

[OldPathsII]

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Can I say that??????

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Can I say that??????

I don't see anything wrong with this, you're just quoting scripture!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by faithit166

romans to the book of jude are letters to the church those who already have obeyed acts 2;38 you do not find the plan of salvation there those letters are for those who already in christ jesus

The Epistles (and the Letters to the Seven Churches in Revelation) were written to "believers" in many stages of growth and even backsliding. Paul especially, had found the repeated need to repeat the Gospel to those who had either misunderstood the message or had been lured away by others who had perverted the Gospel (for example Galatians 3:1-6).

When the question of "saved" come up for discussion on the Day of Pentecost, what did Peter say?

Acts 2:21.

And just who is it that saves us?

Acts 2:21-36.

That's the Gospel message that saves.

[faithit166]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

If the letters are to the church members, why does Paul say "Shall be saved" as in future state brought about by present actions?

If these letters were to saved people, wouldn't he say "Whosoever continues to call on the Lord will continue to be saved?"

And, what makes you say that the "plan of salvation" as you call it is not contained in Romans?

romans 6;3 states know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into jesus christ were baptized into his death.therefore we are buried with him in baptism into death that like as christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the father even so we also shall walk in newness of life for if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death we shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection im a slow typer sorry

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by faithit166

romans 6;3 states know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into jesus christ were baptized into his death.therefore we are buried with him in baptism into death that like as christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the father even so we also shall walk in newness of life for if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death we shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection im a slow typer sorry

No problem, take your time......good discussion.

But, let's look at the first part of Romans 10 to see exactly to whom Paul is referring when he talks about believing on the Lord.....

Just for the record, when Paul starts chapter 10 off, here's how it starts...

1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

His instruction concerning salvation was about people who had not been saved yet, as verse 1 clearly bears out.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



Can I say that??????

Deuteronomy 18:20-22

Can you say that?

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I don't see anything wrong with this, you're just quoting scripture!

Great, so how about this:

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Based on the Word of God, if a man isn't born of the water, which is being baptized in Jesus name which is the official position of this forum, and if a man isn't born of the Spirit, which is receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues, which is the official position of this forum, that man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven!

And if a man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, the only other option is to spend an eternity in a devil's hell!!

So if a man is not baptized in Jesus name (born of the water) and filled with the Holy Ghost (born of the Spirit), that man will not go to heaven but will spend an eternity in a devil's hell!

CAN I SAY THAT????

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Great, so how about this:

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Based on the Word of God, if a man isn't born of the water, which is being baptized in Jesus name which is the official position of this forum, and if a man isn't born of the Spirit, which is receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues, which is the official position of this forum, that man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven!

And if a man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, the only other option is to spend an eternity in a devil's hell!!

So if a man is not baptized in Jesus name (born of the water) and filled with the Holy Ghost (born of the Spirit), that man will not go to heaven but will spend an eternity in a devil's hell!

CAN I SAY THAT????

The italicized words in your position statement were added by you. You can say that on this forum, and you can say that's your opinion, based on your understanding of scripture, but to those who interpret it a different way, you cannot judge them and sentence them to hell.

I understand it's the official position of this forum, and to those who don't agree with it, maybe it's time for us to go somewhere else, but to put someone in hell because they don't agree with your extrapolation is against the Word.

I've posted scripture that indicates that believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is what is required for salvation, and I've been told several times in the past hour that I'm preaching false doctrine.

So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander!