The Slippery Emergent Slope - Page 6

notofworks · #51 02-27-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

S.G. Norris was teaching at the Bogalusa, La. Bible Conference about 1965, as I recall. In his discourse on his understanding of the light doctrine, he believed that his Presbyterian Aunt who had raised him would be saved since she was a godly woman, prayed much, etc., etc.... He explained that she never heard the Acts 2:38 message. He felt sure had she heard it, she would have obeyed it. Thought she had long since been dead at the time, he felt sure he would see her in heaven.

I raised my hand. He ignored me. I kept my hand raised. There were a house full of preachers there including the entire La. Dist. Board and Supt. C.G. Weeks and my pastor G.A. Mangun, none of whom believed Norris' doctrine. I was surprised that none of them spoke up.

Since he did not recognize my hand, I stood up with a still raised hand. He could not ignore this young, crew cut, wet behind the ears, fool-hardy enough to question his eminence, the venerable S.G. Norris.

"YEAH, WHADAYAWANT," he growled looking at me with eyes blazing with disdain.

"Brother Norris, in view of what you just said concerning your aunt, would you please explain the scripture, "If our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST?"

He looked at me with fury and swelled up like a toad. He slowly walked down to where I was still standing. He grabbed me by the left arm and I could feel his finger nails digging into my flesh. He then pulled me out from where I was standing, and leading me up one aisle and down the other asking me periodically, "WELL WHADAYALOOKIN'FOR????? He repeatedly asked me as he looked from left to right. "TELL ME WHEN YOU SEE IT..."

Finally, when I said, "I have no idea what WE are looking for," he took me back to where I was standing, pushed me into the pew and said, "THAT'SWHATI'MTALKINGBOUT." If you don't have any idea what you are looking for, how is it that you are going to find it."

I stood back up to ask him again how he would explain, "If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost." The wife whispered, "It might be better to just let him off the hook."

I did. I sat back down. But, I have that incident on an old reel to reel tape recording.

Ya gotta admit, though, he had a good point!

I used to hear so many stories about him from my dad's school days there. He must've been quite a fellow.

I've always understood that verse to mean, those that refuse to understand, believe it, not those who've never heard it, and verse 4 would seem to reinforce that, no?

Apprehended · #52 02-27-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Ya gotta admit, though, he had a good point!

I used to hear so many stories about him from my dad's school days there. He must've been quite a fellow.

I've always understood that verse to mean, those that refuse to understand, believe it, not those who've never heard it, and verse 4 would seem to reinforce that, no?

He was quite a character.

My childhood pastor, G.A. Mangun went through his school. He said that he got into trouble with him by simply asking a question in the form of a statement.

Elder Norris looked at him and bellowed: "ARE YOU TELLING ME OR ASKING ME?" Bishop Mangun said that he learned. He did not like to be questioned.

notofworks · #53 02-27-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

He was quite a character.

My childhood pastor, G.A. Mangun went through his school. He said that he got into trouble with him by simply asking a question in the form of a statement.

Elder Norris looked at him and bellowed: "ARE YOU TELLING ME OR ASKING ME?" Bishop Mangun said that he learned. He did not like to be questioned.

I used to love to sit and listen to my dad tell the stories of the cattle prod, opening the windows to create a breeze to blow away the notes of guys who used too many....on and on. I never saw him in my life, that I know of, but in my mind, he's a much larger than life person who ruled over all!

Jason B · #54 02-27-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

It's real...there is just enough critique of it out there to know and this is...was....kind of a hobbyhorse for Schuller, but for the most part, silence. You would think the Piper's and Hanagraaf's of this world would come out of the woodwork to thrash him, but really, nothing. Kinda strange.

John MacArthur has addressed this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC2WPR7q4pU

And here, though not directed at Billy Graham, is a straight answer on a stage where so many big name christians (including Graham and Osteen) wouldn't take a stand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BZ-N4pruFo

notofworks · #55 02-27-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

John MacArthur has addressed this:
http://www..com/watch?v=mC2WPR7q4pU

And here, though not directed at Billy Graham, is a straight answer on a stage where so many big name christians (including Graham and Osteen) wouldn't take a stand:
http://www..com/watch?v=2BZ-N4pruFo

Interesting. I don't see an enormous difference between Graham's viewpoint and Crakjak's.

Jason B · #56 02-28-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Interesting. I don't see an enormous difference between Graham's viewpoint and Crakjak's.

But neither is Jesus' message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpkhDAfVA5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqHML...eature=related

Pastor Keith · #57 02-28-2011, 05:06 AM

Sitting here reading this thread, I believe that this doctrine will be a big deal in the coming years.

I reiterate, I hope that many are saved outside of what I believe to be saving faith, but to advocate a view that scripture doesn't share is to lessen the death of Jesus IMHO.

Socialite · #58 02-28-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Sitting here reading this thread, I believe that this doctrine will be a big deal in the coming years.

I reiterate, I hope that many are saved outside of what I believe to be saving faith, but to advocate a view that scripture doesn't share is to lessen the death of Jesus IMHO.

Just for the sake of understanding your point, how so?

BTW, I also think this will be a bigger deal in coming years.

Socialite · #59 02-28-2011, 08:36 AM

"There is a sense in which what seems logical, balanced & reasonable probably isn't the Gospel" (1 Cor. 1:21). Tullian Tchividjian

notofworks · #60 02-28-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Sitting here reading this thread, I believe that this doctrine will be a big deal in the coming years.

I reiterate, I hope that many are saved outside of what I believe to be saving faith, but to advocate a view that scripture doesn't share is to lessen the death of Jesus IMHO.

But in hoping that many are saved outside of what I believe to be saving faith, aren't you slightly edging outside the lines of the absolutes? There is no other way, correct? To hope there may be others saved seems to look outside the borders and say, "Maybe.....".

If there's no maybe, there's no hope. If there's hope, there's maybe, no?