The Thief on the Cross

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Monarchianism

Nope, still doesn't work -- He was under the OT regardless if Jesus died 1rst.
Jesus might have died first, but they knew nothing of Matthew 28:19.
That command was not yet given. Even so, I would say that it only works after the resurrection. In which, the thief had died before then. Obviously it couldn't have taken affect because he hadn't risen, it would be as though he was still "in the water," as a figure of speech. Buried.

The last part of his purpose ( resurrection ) had not happened yet.

Repentance = Death
Baptism = Burial
Holy Spirit = Resurrection

Comprehend it now?

Aside comment: It WAS easier to go to heaven in the OT than it is now ( NT ).
Now in the NT, if you LUST after a woman it's the same as "doing it."
However, times were harder in the OT, than the NT.

If you really wish for me to address the whole "faith" situation, I can.

Maybe Jesus Miraculously transported the cross and the thief who was on it to a waterhole and placed him under and said I baptize you in my name and then he transported him back to being beside him on the cross (almost instantly so no one noticed). Then maybe the thief did speak in tongues even though it wasn't recorded.

Maybe it happened that way? The bible never says it didn't! Can you believe it COULD have happened that way?