The Thief on the Cross

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Would you still be saved?

(You threw me off using the laughing face!!)

If my works or anyone else are not perfect or "full" as some would have it no I would not be saved. Jesus said only those who overcome will not be blotted out of the book of life.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If my works or anyone else are not perfect or "full" as some would have it no I would not be saved. Jesus said only those who overcome will not be blotted out of the book of life.

but but but your are sending a lot of people to damnation and eternal judgment. hmmm yep God has precedence for judging large groups wth just a few saved doesn't he?

I believe the antithesis of Many are called but few are chosen would in part be. It is really really hard to lose your salvation(most who are called are chosen) or even at that OSAS.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

but but but your are sending a lot of people to damnation and eternal judgment. hmmm yep God has precedence for judging large groups wth just a few saved doesn't he?

I believe the antithesis of Many are called but few are chosen would in part be. It is really really hard to lose your salvation(most who are called are chosen) or even at that OSAS.

Many are called but few are chosen. I see this particular scripture portion as a microcosim of it.

3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev. 3:4-5

All that are in the Church are called to be there. Not all of them will be chosen to inherit eternal life.

A few in the Sardis Church out of the many were found worthy.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Many are called but few are chosen. I see this particular scripture portion as a microcosim of it.

3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev. 3:4-5

All that are in the Church are called to be there. Not all of them will be chosen to inherit eternal life.

A few in the Sardis Church out of the many were found worthy.

and that is those who actually knew His Word.(proper doctrine)

[Jay]

It is sad, but most people who want to have no responsibility put upon them quote only Paul, but the fail to take James who said, "Faith without works is dead being alone." Also he said, "I will show you my faith by my works." (bold and italics mine for emphasis)

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jay

It is sad, but most people who want to have no responsibility put upon them quote only Paul, but the fail to take James who said, "Faith without works is dead being alone." Also he said, "I will show you my faith by my works." (bold and italics mine for emphasis)

And Paul himself expected good works from the believer.

3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim. 3:16-17

The man of God is to be perfect. Throughly furnished (able to do) all good works.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Amen!

Another distorted teaching is that you do not need the Spirit for salvational purpose, it's only an empowerment. ....

If you are referring to the "one-stepper" teaching that in salvation the Spirit comes in to dwell and in the Holy Ghost Baptism the Spirit comes upon to empower, you are not stating the teaching correctly.

Also, if the Holy Spirit is Christ in us, why do you refer to Him as "it"?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sam

If you are referring to the "one-stepper" teaching that in salvation the Spirit comes in to dwell and in the Holy Ghost Baptism the Spirit comes upon to empower, you are not stating the teaching correctly.

I don't see that process plainly set out in the scriptures. Two infillings? Sorry, I don't see that.

Also, if the Holy Spirit is Christ in us, why do you refer to Him as "it"?

My "it's" is referring back to the noun (Spirit) in the sentence. It is like saying, "A cow can't jump over the moon it's legs are not strong enough."

I don't make the cow an "it", I refer back to the cow. Pretty simple and no nefarious scheme in that.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If my works or anyone else are not perfect or "full" as some would have it no I would not be saved. Jesus said only those who overcome will not be blotted out of the book of life.

Wouldn't you rephrase, if I didn't allow the Spirit to direct me to work the perfect works then I would not be saved. We can't say the Spirit's work is our work. Sure the action is ours, but the will to do it comes from the Spirit.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't see that process plainly set out in the scriptures. Two infillings? Sorry, I don't see that.



My "it's" is referring back to the noun (Spirit) in the sentence. It is like saying, "A cow can't jump over the moon it's legs are not strong enough."

I don't make the cow an "it", I refer back to the cow. Pretty simple and no nefarious scheme in that.

lol Yes and even the Bible refers to the SPirit as an it...

1.Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
2.Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.