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[Socialite]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I don't need conspiracy theories and doctored videos to know that BO has been a disaster for America. His presidency will be remembered as one of the worst in modern times. The unedited quotes throughout his campaign and years in office are enough for me.

What is humorous are the Kool-Aiders who blindly defend his economic policies, his foreign policies, his poor leadership, ESPN appearances, golf games and deference to the UN and Europe to lead the way in the world. That's way more comical than birther paranoia.

Were you a supporter of George W Bush?

Did his economic policy get as much dramatic rhetoric from you?
His foreign policy?

As far as ESPN appearances, you people crack me up. Quit playing politics with everything! This is an American tradition that many Presidents have participated in. This includes throwing out first pitches, welcoming winners from various sports to the White House, etc... These are things which lift the American spirit, encourage moral. Should we wear sackcloth and ashes for the next 4 years?

As far as his deference to the UN and the International Community, I can see how this is both a good and bad thing. Having a united international voice against an Arab nation is definitely much more positive than America preemptively invading another sovereign Arab nation. Then again... we have no business in Libya. This is Bush's 3rd term right before our eyes.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Nearly every time I read one of your posts, I am always reminded of this quote:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

It helps if you read it in James Earl Jones's voice, it adds a certain gravitas to it, lol.

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[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Nearly every time I read one of your posts, I am always reminded of this quote:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

It helps if you read it in James Earl Jones's voice, it adds a certain gravitas to it, lol.

Old liberal tactic: start taking pot shots at messengers with messages you don't like. Keep playing the music, but it won't stop the Titanic from sinking...

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Were you a supporter of George W Bush?

Did his economic policy get as much dramatic rhetoric from you?

Unlike Kool-Aiders, I spoke out against Bush era spending time and again. I was against the prescription drug benefit added to Madicare. I wrote a letter to Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC at the time, a scathing letter excoriating the GOP for abandoning their conservative fiscal principles. So yes, I have the ability to speak to my party in disagreement (and do it "dramatically" as you call it), unlike others who can't bear criticizing BO under ANY circumstance.

His foreign policy?

I believe by and large the Bush foreign policy was spot on. He took the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan, who aided and abetted Al-Qaeda. He enforced the 17 UN Resolutions that Saddam Hussein violated and removed him and his bloody regime and successfully replaced him with a democratically elected government. Iraq is proving more and more to be a great success story. Bush had it right on the War on Terror, Guantanamo, enhanced interrogations. He LED. The US was far safer under Bush than it was under Clinton. I have few issues here. Nothing to be "dramatic" about.

As far as ESPN appearances, you people crack me up. Quit playing politics with everything! This is an American tradition that many Presidents have participated in. This includes throwing out first pitches, welcoming winners from various sports to the White House, etc... These are things which lift the American spirit, encourage moral. Should we wear sackcloth and ashes for the next 4 years?

I could be wrong, but I believe BO is the first prez to do the bracket thing for March Madness. And its not that that is a problem per se, but his timing and the perception he projected when doing it. The earthquake and tsunami hit Japan with the subsequent nuclear crisis and he's on TV yucking it up about March Madness. Bad timing. Bush understood this and quit playing golf after 9/11 and the two wars that followed. POTUS has an obligation to send the message that he is serious about his job and understands perception.

Remember Bush's flyover New Orleans? Boy we never heard the end of that! During the time of human crisis and tragedy, presidents should lay aside selfish endeavors like bracketology and golf and embrace his role and what he represents. My spirit isn't lifted knowing who BO thinks will win the NCAA title or that he birdied a hole. My spirit is lifted when the prez shows compassion, leadership and selflessness when others are suffering. BO barely responded on the early hours of the tragedy.

As far as his deference to the UN and the International Community, I can see how this is both a good and bad thing. Having a united international voice against an Arab nation is definitely much more positive than America preemptively invading another sovereign Arab nation. Then again... we have no business in Libya. This is Bush's 3rd term right before our eyes.

Bush got Congressional approval before invading Iraq. This is not Bush's 3rd term. You calling it is evidence that you don't have confidence in your man's ability to lead on his own. All he and the rest of you Kool-Aiders can do is blame Bush for Obama's failures. Leaders lead, they don't blame or point the finger. They take responsibility.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Unlike Kool-Aiders, I spoke out against Bush era spending time and again. I was against the prescription drug benefit added to Madicare. I wrote a letter to Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC at the time, a scathing letter excoriating the GOP for abandoning their conservative fiscal principles. So yes, I have the ability to speak to my party in disagreement (and do it "dramatically" as you call it), unlike others who can't bear criticizing BO under ANY circumstance.




I believe by and large the Bush foreign policy was spot on. He took the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan, who aided and abetted Al-Qaeda. He enforced the 17 UN Resolutions that Saddam Hussein violated and removed him and his bloody regime and successfully replaced him with a democratically elected government. Iraq is proving more and more to be a great success story. Bush had it right on the War on Terror, Guantanamo, enhanced interrogations. He LED. The US was far safer under Bush than it was under Clinton. I have few issues here. Nothing to be "dramatic" about.



I could be wrong, but I believe BO is the first prez to do the bracket thing for March Madness. And its not that that is a problem per se, but his timing and the perception he projected when doing it. The earthquake and tsunami hit Japan with the subsequent nuclear crisis and he's on TV yucking it up about March Madness. Bad timing. Bush understood this and quit playing golf after 9/11 and the two wars that followed. POTUS has an obligation to send the message that he is serious about his job and understands perception.

Remember Bush's flyover New Orleans? Boy we never heard the end of that! During the time of human crisis and tragedy, presidents should lay aside selfish endeavors like bracketology and golf and embrace his role and what he represents. My spirit isn't lifted knowing who BO thinks will win the NCAA title or that he birdied a hole. My spirit is lifted when the prez shows compassion, leadership and selflessness when others are suffering. BO barely responded on the early hours of the tragedy.



Bush got Congressional approval before invading Iraq. This is not Bush's 3rd term. You calling it is evidence that you don't have confidence in your man's ability to lead on his own. All he and the rest of you Kool-Aiders can do is blame Bush for Obama's failures. Leaders lead, they don't blame or point the finger. They take responsibility.

Deacon Blues .... you make sense!! Thanks for your insight! Some of the Obama "hand holders" are so pathetic. I just wish they could see themselves and realize they are making fools of themselves for a man who could not care less about them.

Again Deacon




Been Thinkin

[sandie]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Unlike Kool-Aiders, I spoke out against Bush era spending time and again. I was against the prescription drug benefit added to Madicare. I wrote a letter to Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC at the time, a scathing letter excoriating the GOP for abandoning their conservative fiscal principles. So yes, I have the ability to speak to my party in disagreement (and do it "dramatically" as you call it), unlike others who can't bear criticizing BO under ANY circumstance.




I believe by and large the Bush foreign policy was spot on. He took the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan, who aided and abetted Al-Qaeda. He enforced the 17 UN Resolutions that Saddam Hussein violated and removed him and his bloody regime and successfully replaced him with a democratically elected government. Iraq is proving more and more to be a great success story. Bush had it right on the War on Terror, Guantanamo, enhanced interrogations. He LED. The US was far safer under Bush than it was under Clinton. I have few issues here. Nothing to be "dramatic" about.



I could be wrong, but I believe BO is the first prez to do the bracket thing for March Madness. And its not that that is a problem per se, but his timing and the perception he projected when doing it. The earthquake and tsunami hit Japan with the subsequent nuclear crisis and he's on TV yucking it up about March Madness. Bad timing. Bush understood this and quit playing golf after 9/11 and the two wars that followed. POTUS has an obligation to send the message that he is serious about his job and understands perception.

Remember Bush's flyover New Orleans? Boy we never heard the end of that! During the time of human crisis and tragedy, presidents should lay aside selfish endeavors like bracketology and golf and embrace his role and what he represents. My spirit isn't lifted knowing who BO thinks will win the NCAA title or that he birdied a hole. My spirit is lifted when the prez shows compassion, leadership and selflessness when others are suffering. BO barely responded on the early hours of the tragedy.



Bush got Congressional approval before invading Iraq. This is not Bush's 3rd term. You calling it is evidence that you don't have confidence in your man's ability to lead on his own. All he and the rest of you Kool-Aiders can do is blame Bush for Obama's failures. Leaders lead, they don't blame or point the finger. They take responsibility.

BRAVO!



But, to be fair, BO is leaving South America...wow, get this...hours, yes...that's hours early in light of what's happening in Libya. What more can we ask of a president.

The hypocrisy of this administration is mind boggling. He creates a ban on off shore drilling in the U.S. to the tune of thousands being thrown out of work. Yet he's going to underwrite Brazil's state owned oil company and tells them we'll be their best buds and buy their oil while we sit on our own.
I'd laugh, but I just can't. I past the service station on the way home, gas is 3.79, yesterday it was 3.73. It's criminal, imo, what this man is doing to our economy and the average person trying to make ends meet.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Were you a supporter of George W Bush?

Did his economic policy get as much dramatic rhetoric from you?
His foreign policy?

.

George Bush economics policies were great. We all knew he issued an elert to the mortgage crisis whiche melted down. The alert was before 9/11.

The economics policies went in the dumpster during Bus when Dems becam Congressional majority. The bloat and deficit spending took of.

Democrats poison our economic health.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Old liberal tactic: start taking pot shots at messengers with messages you don't like. Keep playing the music, but it won't stop the Titanic from sinking...

Not really a tactic, just an honest observation. You seem to be very afraid of President Obama, and that seems to be turning into anger for you.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Unlike Kool-Aiders, I spoke out against Bush era spending time and again. I was against the prescription drug benefit added to Madicare. I wrote a letter to Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC at the time, a scathing letter excoriating the GOP for abandoning their conservative fiscal principles. So yes, I have the ability to speak to my party in disagreement (and do it "dramatically" as you call it), unlike others who can't bear criticizing BO under ANY circumstance.

Kudos to you for speaking out.
BTW, I'm not a Dem nor did I vote for BO. I just abhor the typical GOP, Right-Wing conservative, Evangelical biases.

I believe by and large the Bush foreign policy was spot on. He took the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan, who aided and abetted Al-Qaeda. He enforced the 17 UN Resolutions that Saddam Hussein violated and removed him and his bloody regime and successfully replaced him with a democratically elected government. Iraq is proving more and more to be a great success story. Bush had it right on the War on Terror, Guantanamo, enhanced interrogations. He LED. The US was far safer under Bush than it was under Clinton. I have few issues here. Nothing to be "dramatic" about.

You are definitely entitled to your opinion. I think Bush's foreign policy was one of his greatest flaws. Interventionists, knee-jerk, not well thought out (similar to this Libya crisis, but fortunately, we aren't as committed right now). Nation-building is something I'm not a fan of, especially nation-building in Arab countries. Iraq is proving to be a success story? Really? I'm glad you support "enhanced interrogations." I don't.

Post 9/11 national emotion won him early favor, but his leading took us into two countries without clear objectives and strategies (and not a lot of clear communication either), spread out our military and we are still in those two countries far past his term. A full-scale war in Iraq was necessary? Really? Let's talk about the so-called imminent threats shall we? I will give it to him that if intelligence was bad, intelligence was bad. However, even prior to the invasion, the international community, ie Hans Blixer and his inspectors confirmed that there were no WMDs. Conspiracy nuts today will attempt to still cling to the fact that there are, even while the entire Bush Administration in retrospect admit the intelligence was faulty. But the entire strategy wreaked of a Louis Lamour revenge sequel, and the case for revenge was quite speculative. Afghanistan was arguably a good move, the intention of bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice, etc. But we got war happy and decided foreign intervention was in our best interest. 9/11 was an Act of War, on our soil. Being strategic in how we respond and expend our military resources should be considered a little more carefully. And while I don't think the UN should be commanding our troops, having some sort of united front and confidence with the international community is important.

I could be wrong, but I believe BO is the first prez to do the bracket thing for March Madness. And its not that that is a problem per se, but his timing and the perception he projected when doing it. The earthquake and tsunami hit Japan with the subsequent nuclear crisis and he's on TV yucking it up about March Madness. Bad timing. Bush understood this and quit playing golf after 9/11 and the two wars that followed. POTUS has an obligation to send the message that he is serious about his job and understands perception.

Remember Bush's flyover New Orleans? Boy we never heard the end of that! During the time of human crisis and tragedy, presidents should lay aside selfish endeavors like bracketology and golf and embrace his role and what he represents. My spirit isn't lifted knowing who BO thinks will win the NCAA title or that he birdied a hole. My spirit is lifted when the prez shows compassion, leadership and selflessness when others are suffering. BO barely responded on the early hours of the tragedy.

In 1985, President Ronald Reagan flipped the commemorative coin during a live ABC-TV feed before the kickoff of the Super Bowl XIX. Three years later, the Gipper laid out the White House welcome mat for the Washington Redskins after they crushed the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXII. Sports have a long-standing precedent in Presidential politics. I again point to the fact that Presidents have longed connected with the American fervor and passion for its sports.

To the point about his timing, if he'd canceled his annual bracket extravaganza, he'd be accused of a bunker mentality. The notion that he should have snubbed ESPN taps into the unrealistic gestalt that imagines presidents grapple every moment of their days and nights with the job we've elected them to do. This is why Obama's family vacations cause critics to blow their gaskets — even though the younger President Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas, ranch during his two terms.

As venerable CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller told FactCheck.org, true enough, presidents never really punch out: "The job — and its awesome powers and responsibilities — is his wherever he is and whatever he's doing."Even if he's taking a timeout to share a nation's mutual madness.

Timing may not have been best (considering America was waiting on his response about Libya), but timing never is best. And, BTW, I thought the criticisms toward W for the fly over were unfair as well, and were only exacerbated by the tauntings of racism which were utterly deplorable to even consider.

Bush got Congressional approval before invading Iraq. This is not Bush's 3rd term. You calling it is evidence that you don't have confidence in your man's ability to lead on his own. All he and the rest of you Kool-Aiders can do is blame Bush for Obama's failures. Leaders lead, they don't blame or point the finger. They take responsibility.

Bush got Congressional approval (for Iraq and Afghanistan), true. In fact, I never said he didn't. The claims (and the one that Judge Napolitano make) aren't against him obtaining Congressional approval, they are emphasizing his philosophy of intervention. Your entire last paragraph is baseless and pointless considering I'm not one of those "you guys." Let's not pretend there's not Kool-Aid stains on everyone's lips in Washington either. Obama hasn't blamed anyone. His supporters may be pointing out inconsistencies, but those who are neither Obama supporters or Kool-Aid drinking GOP groupies, are interjecting into this with a perspective about how America should respond in foreign affairs.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Kudos to you for speaking out.
BTW, I'm not a Dem nor did I vote for BO. I just abhor the typical GOP, Right-Wing conservative, Evangelical biases.




You are definitely entitled to your opinion. I think Bush's foreign policy was one of his greatest flaws. Interventionists, knee-jerk, not well thought out (similar to this Libya crisis, but fortunately, we aren't as committed right now). Nation-building is something I'm not a fan of, especially nation-building in Arab countries. Iraq is proving to be a success story? Really? I'm glad you support "enhanced interrogations." I don't.

Post 9/11 national emotion won him early favor, but his leading took us into two countries without clear objectives and strategies (and not a lot of clear communication either), spread out our military and we are still in those two countries far past his term. A full-scale war in Iraq was necessary? Really? Let's talk about the so-called imminent threats shall we? I will give it to him that if intelligence was bad, intelligence was bad. However, even prior to the invasion, the international community, ie Hans Blixer and his inspectors confirmed that there were no WMDs. Conspiracy nuts today will attempt to still cling to the fact that there are, even while the entire Bush Administration in retrospect admit the intelligence was faulty. But the entire strategy wreaked of a Louis Lamour revenge sequel, and the case for revenge was quite speculative. Afghanistan was arguably a good move, the intention of bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice, etc. But we got war happy and decided foreign intervention was in our best interest. 9/11 was an Act of War, on our soil. Being strategic in how we respond and expend our military resources should be considered a little more carefully. And while I don't think the UN should be commanding our troops, having some sort of united front and confidence with the international community is important.



In 1985, President Ronald Reagan flipped the commemorative coin during a live ABC-TV feed before the kickoff of the Super Bowl XIX. Three years later, the Gipper laid out the White House welcome mat for the Washington Redskins after they crushed the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXII. Sports have a long-standing precedent in Presidential politics. I again point to the fact that Presidents have longed connected with the American fervor and passion for its sports.

To the point about his timing, if he'd canceled his annual bracket extravaganza, he'd be accused of a bunker mentality. The notion that he should have snubbed ESPN taps into the unrealistic gestalt that imagines presidents grapple every moment of their days and nights with the job we've elected them to do. This is why Obama's family vacations cause critics to blow their gaskets — even though the younger President Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas, ranch during his two terms.

As venerable CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller told FactCheck.org, true enough, presidents never really punch out: "The job — and its awesome powers and responsibilities — is his wherever he is and whatever he's doing."Even if he's taking a timeout to share a nation's mutual madness.

Timing may not have been best (considering America was waiting on his response about Libya), but timing never is best. And, BTW, I thought the criticisms toward W for the fly over were unfair as well, and were only exacerbated by the tauntings of racism which were utterly deplorable to even consider.



Bush got Congressional approval, true. The claims (and the one that Judge Napolitano make) aren't against him obtaining Congressional approval, they are emphasizing his philosophy of intervention. Your entire last paragraph is baseless and pointless considering I'm not one of those "you guys." Let's not pretend there's not Kool-Aid stains on everyone's lips in Washington either. Obama hasn't blamed anyone. His supporters may be pointing out inconsistencies, but those who are neither Obama supporters or Kool-Aid drinking GOP groupies, are interjecting into this with a perspective about how America should respond in foreign affairs.

Come on Socialite..... "Obama hasn't blamed anyone? You've got to be kidding!"

Been Thinkin