Matt 16;27-28

Truthseeker · #1 03-26-2011, 06:37 AM

Matt 16:27-28

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
KJV

Some say verses 27 is one thing while verse 28 is the day of pentecost.

I think both verses are refering to same event. what thinketh thou?

mfblume · #2 03-26-2011, 10:03 AM

Same event

mfblume · #3 03-26-2011, 10:05 AM

I mentioned this once before on this forum, but if we read before these verses, Jesus was speaking about taking up the cross, denying ourselves and following Him. Tasting death is taking up the cross. He said if we do not taste death now, we will taste death later, and we will never live again. But if we taste death now we will live again unto eternal life. It was simply SELF DENIAL he was talking about. So it hit me that when he said some will not taste death til they see the son of man coming, he meant some would not deny themselves then, but would have their lives taken later and never regained! Ands their lives in deed were later taken to never return to them again!

Truthseeker · #4 03-26-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I mentioned this once before on this forum, but if we read before these verses, Jesus was speaking about taking up the cross, denying ourselves and following Him. Tasting death is taking up the cross. He said if we do not taste death now, we will taste death later, and we will never live again. But if we taste death now we will live again unto eternal life. It was simply SELF DENIAL he was talking about. So it hit me that when he said some will not taste death til they see the son of man coming, he meant some would not deny themselves then, but would have their lives taken later and never regained! Ands their lives in deed were later taken to never return to them again!

Interesting thought, not sure I'm buying it, but interesting.

mfblume · #5 03-26-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Interesting thought, not sure I'm buying it, but interesting.

I really think it's the context, if you really check the whole passage. I noticed that when it seemed Jesus changed entired topics abruptly, that he was not actually changing topics at all.

Truthseeker · #6 03-26-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I really think it's the context, if you really check the whole passage.

Oh I'll conmsider it. Try to stay open to others thoughts on a subject.

Truthseeker · #7 03-26-2011, 11:00 AM

John 8:52

52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
KJV

Only other place Jesus uses "taste of death" obviously refers to spiritual death.

mfblume · #8 03-26-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

John 8:52

52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
KJV

Only other place Jesus uses "taste of death" obviously refers to spiritual death.

I agree. To take up the cross is spiritual death, too, but a good one.

Truthseeker · #9 03-26-2011, 11:05 AM

it does appear he was speaking to the 12 disciples, so some would not pick up the cross?

Falla39 · #10 03-26-2011, 11:09 AM

He came in the "glory of His Father" (Spirit). The Son of man came in his kingdom. (spiritual,
a kingdom they could not see. For the kingdom of God is inside. Hidden from the wise and
prudent, but revealed unto babes.)

Rom. 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the
Holy Ghost.

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus told his disciples that, just as the Father has appointed him a kingdom, he was appointing
them one.

Luke 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Remember all power in heaven and earth was given to Jesus. He had the power/right to choose
those 12 apostles. Peter was given the keys to to kingdom. He gave the keys to those present
on the Day of Pentecost. Not everyone believed,

The UNBELIEVING Jews did not believe Jesus was the Messiah. Because he came in the glory of
his Father (Spirit), many do not believe he has come because they can't SEE him. (spiritual things
can only be seen through eyes of faith.) Things we see with physical eyes are temporal, things not
seen, (except through eyes of faith) are eternal.

Oh,say but I'm glad, Oh, say but I'm glad.
Jesus has come and my heart's (cup's) over run
Oh, say but I'm glad!

Falla39