Donald Trump Calls for Obama Birth Certificate

[Sam]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

...There's plenty to choose from that will defeat Obama. Usually current events take care of the elections. If the economy and housing markets are sluggish, if unemployment remains high, if gas prices are through the roof, if prices of goods are high, if interest rates increase, if the dollar continues to decline, etc. Fred Flinstone could run against Obama and win.

He's not as formidable as you make him---politically he's vulnerable. Very vulnerable.

I haven't even heard or seen anything from Fred Flintstone yet.
Is he considering running?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

...There's plenty to choose from that will defeat Obama. Usually current events take care of the elections. If the economy and housing markets are sluggish, if unemployment remains high, if gas prices are through the roof, if prices of goods are high, if interest rates increase, if the dollar continues to decline, etc. Fred Flinstone could run against Obama and win.

He's not as formidable as you make him---politically he's vulnerable. Very vulnerable.

Fred Flintsone?

I remember when Pogo ran
http://www.igopogo.com/campaign_buttons.htm

and I also remember when Alfred E. Neuman ran

Just remember, "If your vote could actually change anything, it would be illegal"

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

You seem to think getting a drivers license and proof of being a natural born citizen are the same.

They aren't and you don't understand. One of your crack pipe tangents.

To get a driver's license I had to prove who I was... and I happened to have been an American citizen so I proved who I was by proving I was an American citizen.

I also notice how inelegantly you avoided the examples of my getting a U.S. Passport and registering to vote - both of which required proof of American citizenship.

Got any more April Fools jokes that you were too dense to see as jokes? Want to offer any more of Obama's stand up comedy routine at the White House Correspondents Dinner as "proof" of your delusions?

Sadly, for you coadster, the crack pipe has been anything but a tangent.

Originally Posted by coadie

No wonder you can't see what the presenting issues are. You not only seem to be unpatriotic, but this Obama hasn't even been elligilbe to get a top secret security clearance. with the documents he shows. In other words, he couldn't pass investigation and be equal to the secret Service that protects him. If you were patriotic, you would want the constitution to be respected in this matter.

Just take a deep breath and relax.

My son was granted a Top Secret security clearance with just a state issued "Certificate of Live Birth" last summer. He's now working in military intelligence on the same task force that squashed the "insurgents" in Iraq. My wife and I were interviewed by a U.S. Army colonel as part of the process. I know about the Top Secret clearance process personally.







Here my wife and I are pinning the Military Intelligence pin on my son's uniform last month. He goes directly into harm's way in June.

If you would calm down and snap out of your drug induced hysteria you would realize that a real patriot recognizes the Constitutional role the current President of the United States fulfills. Whether or not he "should" be there is probably the one thing you and I agree on, but he is there - Constitutionally.

The Republican Governor of Hawaii (Gov. Linda Lingle) certified this for us, before the new Dem governor got into office and made a mess of the whole thing (something Dems do all the time).

Whether you voted for him or not: Obama has proven his Constitutional eligibility to be President. Our task is not to plumb the depths of insanity with him, but to work hard so that a better qualified person can take his place in 2012.

[sandie]

Pel, congratulations on your son's fine accomplishments.
You must be so proud.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by sandie

I didn't say you throw out the word "hate" when someone disagrees with YOU, this is in reference to those who disagree with the President. Please don't take it personal.

Ok, I honestly thought you did. I apologize. I see now that it was Esther I was quoting and not you. I really thought that post was part of our dialogue.

I did take that post personally.

I apologize for "raising my voice" at you when I really should have been raising my voice at Esther at her false accusation.

Originally Posted by sandie

First of all, I'm not "deciding" to keep this going, I merely commented a couple of times and if you read what I actually said you might have a different view.
For one thing, for all I really care about this issue, he could have been born IN the White House because I'm not going to ever vote for him.

This was not a referrence to you or anyone on AFF-- I am talking about the lokes of the t.v. and radio talking heads that continue to dwell on this-- they are the ones that are fomenting the groundless suspicion and hate.

Those who actually think for a minute that a person who was not born in America would somehow dupe the FBI and/or CIA is deceived-- caught up in their own desires for a reason to deligitimize the man.

Originally Posted by sandie

I've never said anything like that. However, I sure heard that alot about President Bush, did you defend President Bush with such "colorful" wording?

Just last night, my roommates and I got into a heated discussion over the disrespect and humiliation that Bush endured with the release of the movie, "W" and the U.S. Senator from SC that called Obama a liar during the SOTU address.

It was very heated.

I have defended Bush on AFF, just as I have criticized Obama on AFF.

Originally Posted by sandie

Pardon me, but that doesn't sound like a rational conclusion, especially coming from a Christian. We're not to accuse others of motivations we can't possibly know. Are you able to look into the heart of man? God calls that bearing false witness.

Some things, just like some people never change. You can tell their motivations by their actions and the context in which people do what people do.

If you would like to suggest that we can't tell when a person is being hateful by examining their actions, then you are wrong.

Originally Posted by sandie

I never said you were calling "hate" whenever someone disagrees with YOU...but, guess it's your right to be insulting when you wrongly precieve that's what I did.

Again, I apologize. I could have sworn that we were in a dialogue and I thought that post was part of our dialogue.

Originally Posted by sandie

I'm only denying I can't look into the heart of each individual. I can only go by what the Word of God says. We're to love and not hate, so if I give the benefit of believing other Christians aren't motivated by hate, I believe that to be what God would have me do.

The people who are stirring the pot so to speak on a national level over this stupid accusation are not Christian. Howeever, there are Christians who are deceived into believing that there is a possibility that President Obama was not born in America.

Originally Posted by sandie

You seem to be overly emotional about this issue. I wonder why you addressed this to me while quoting Esther?

I addressed you because we were in a conversation. I messed up. I'll be more careful next time.

Originally Posted by sandie

I'm curious, did you get this emotional when people were burning President Bush in effigy?

When this rises to the level that President Bush had to endure, we'll talk.

GWB had 8 years to earn the level of hate he had to endure-- in LARGE part to his wicked advisors who lied to him.

I personally believe that GWB was let down by a lot of people and since he was the President, the buck stopped with him-- as it should.

There was some validity for some of the disdain that people had for him, but the burning of the effigy of the man was beyond overboard.



Still, his American identity was never questioned.








The reason we are discussing the birther issue is because there are people who are motivated by hate for the man (whether it be for his ideas or his skin color or whatever irrational reason they can come up with).

These are the people that are giving credence to the groundless suspicions and encouraging hate.

Three years ago, this could have been part of a civil discourse within the political world. When he addressed the issue, it should have been put to rest then. Unfortunately, it wasn't.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by sandie

Pel, congratulations on your son's fine accomplishments.
You must be so proud.

You bet. He graduated second in his class. When the soldiers all lined up he really stood out - or at least his ribbon rack stood out. All of the other top grads had these huge ribbon racks indicating the length of their service and participation in various postings. My son was fresh out of boot and had this tiny little ribbon rack compared to most, yet he had demonstrated that he could run with the big dawgs.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You bet. He graduated second in his class. When the soldiers all lined up he really stood out - or at least his ribbon rack stood out. All of the other top grads had these huge ribbon racks indicating the length of their service and participation in various postings. My son was fresh out of boot and had this tiny little ribbon rack compared to most, yet he had demonstrated that he could run with the big dawgs.

I did not know you had a son in the military-- or if I did know, I forgot!

It's good to be able to be proud of your children.

CONGRATS!

[canam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ok, I honestly thought you did. I apologize. I see now that it was Esther I was quoting and not you. I really thought that post was part of our dialogue.

I did take that post personally.

I apologize for "raising my voice" at you when I really should have been raising my voice at Esther at her false accusation.





This was not a referrence to you or anyone on AFF-- I am talking about the lokes of the t.v. and radio talking heads that continue to dwell on this-- they are the ones that are fomenting the groundless suspicion and hate.

Those who actually think for a minute that a person who was not born in America would somehow dupe the FBI and/or CIA is deceived-- caught up in their own desires for a reason to deligitimize the man.






Just last night, my roommates and I got into a heated discussion over the disrespect and humiliation that Bush endured with the release of the movie, "W" and the U.S. Senator from SC that called Obama a liar during the SOTU address.

It was very heated.

I have defended Bush on AFF, just as I have criticized Obama on AFF.





Some things, just like some people never change. You can tell their motivations by their actions and the context in which people do what people do.

If you would like to suggest that we can't tell when a person is being hateful by examining their actions, then you are wrong.






Again, I apologize. I could have sworn that we were in a dialogue and I thought that post was part of our dialogue.





The people who are stirring the pot so to speak on a national level over this stupid accusation are not Christian. Howeever, there are Christians who are deceived into believing that there is a possibility that President Obama was not born in America.





I addressed you because we were in a conversation. I messed up. I'll be more careful next time.






GWB had 8 years to earn the level of hate he had to endure-- in LARGE part to his wicked advisors who lied to him.

I personally believe that GWB was let down by a lot of people and since he was the President, the buck stopped with him-- as it should.

There was some validity for some of the disdain that people had for him, but the burning of the effigy of the man was beyond overboard.



Still, his American identity was never questioned.








The reason we are discussing the birther issue is because there are people who are motivated by hate for the man (whether it be for his ideas or his skin color or whatever irrational reason they can come up with).

These are the people that are giving credence to the groundless suspicions and encouraging hate.

Three years ago, this could have been part of a civil discourse within the political world. When he addressed the issue, it should have been put to rest then. Unfortunately, it wasn't.

Your right the buck did stop with Bush something that has never happened with BO,because as he has told us so many times, he inherited this mess

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I think its an interesting debate. Neither side can prove he was in spite of Democrats stating it definitively. If it really was a non-issue, the White House would stay mum about Trump. This weekend a right hand man of BO was on the Sunday talk shows calling him a "sideshow" and that he had "zero chance" of becoming president. Why give Trump any credibility if he's such a clown and a political lightweight?

The media is not giving Trump credibility....He is just so laughable spending so much money on something so stupid.

Evidently Trump has struck a nerve. The White House seems kind of touchy about the so-called "birther" issue. Why so sensitive? Makes one wonder...

I don't think he has done anything to the White House, except giving them assurance that if this is all that republicans has, then winning 2012 will be easy.

There's plenty to choose from that will defeat Obama. Usually current events take care of the elections. If the economy and housing markets are sluggish, if unemployment remains high, if gas prices are through the roof, if prices of goods are high, if interest rates increase, if the dollar continues to decline, etc. Fred Flinstone could run against Obama and win.

The real facts are already showing up...I saw a chart on "The Ed Show" last night and it was comparing the jobs lost during the "Bush Destruction" and now, guess what...IT IS A WHOLE LOT BETTER NOW. ...

He's not as formidable as you make him---politically he's vulnerable. Very vulnerable.

I believe that President Obama handles the office of President very carefully, and he thinks out what the outcome will be, before he speaks.....NOT like Palin, Trump, Michelle Bauchman and the rest of the "Tea Bags". I am looking forward to hearing President Obama tomorrow.

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

You know the world has been turned upside down when I agree with Seascapes.
I have not commented very much on this issue, because I really had not read about it.
Over the last couple of weeks I have been reading up on it and I have reached the conclusion that BHO was born in Hawaii.
On the outside chance that I am wrong, I still believe that you will never be able to "prove" that he was not.
The reason this issue did not interest me, was because it would not have changed my mind about him, either way.
It is not that I personally dislike BHO, but I do intensely dislike his policies.
What this "birther" crowd is doing is letting a smokescreen deflect their efforts from stopping his re-election.
This issue may very well help propel him to another 4 years.
And if it does, the "birthers" will have helped.

WOW ! aegsm76 .... I am glad that you agreed with me sorta, and I also agree with you sorta. This stupidity is hurting the republican party.