We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[mfblume]

I am perfect in Christ. I just need my behaviour to match that now. THAT takes years. In the meantime, we repent and get up and go again, with a clean slate all over again.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I am perfect in Christ. I just need my behaviour to match that now. THAT takes years. In the meantime, we repent and get up and go again, with a clean slate all over again.

Praise God! That's enough to make a body want to jump for joy!

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So considering 1 John 3:2, it says we are sons of God right now. In other words, we don't have to die to know that we are God's children. Do you think God would send his children who have born of Him to hell?

LOL nice context and understanding all te underlying principles.

We are children to WHOM we obey. If we go after flesh we are not children of God. Unless we repent we will die in our sins. I can consider myself a child of God IF I am doing his will and commandments just as Jesus said concerning us being his friends. IF we obey we are his friends.

You also said "no human knows". How did Paul know that a crown was waiting for him if he couldn't even know whether he was perfect enough to make it to heaven?

LOL... He is viewing himself HAVING KEPT to receive. Thus he believes he will receive. He will be judged by God to have been faithful to the end or not. He has belief he will. As we all shoud have expectancy having been what WE PERCIEVE as being faithful. He still wil be judged.

1Jn 3:18 Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.
1Jn 3:19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him;
1Jn 3:20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;
1Jn 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

That is why it is called the judgment in which we are judged according to our works both good and bad.

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[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by NorCal

According to Paul, we must "Die Daily"
According to Peter, "Be Ye Holy, for I AM Holy"

If you live by the WHOLE BIBLE you will be perfected unto Christ.

The problem with Christian Society is that they like to pick and choose.
OSAS do not follow Peter or Paul or even Christs teachings.
Pure Legalists do not rely enough on "Faith in Christ"

It takes both, Works displaying your Faith.
Remember, Jesus did not come to destroy The Law (for he WAS the Law/Word) but to Fulfill The Law.

As a Christian you must
1) Believe that God Is
2) That he is a rewarder of those that seek him
3) That Jesus Christ is God
4) And follow all the teachings of Christ and his Apostles


Yes as you follow Christ, your ways, thoughts, and actions will change.

Biblically, the only thing you NEED to get to heaven is "Christ in you, the hope of glory" as this will lead you to be "the image of Christ". Remember, we are the "Clay on the Potters Wheel". We are being transformed into the Image of Christ.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

sigh

yeah truth hurts doesn't it.

[mfblume]

When Paul said he was not yet perfect, he did not mean he did not know he was going to heaven or not. We better know we are going to heaven since it is faith in Christ's work on the cross. This stuff about our works going to judge us for glory or not is ridiculous. We are not saved by our works but by Christ's work on the cross. Anything else is legalism, period.

Philippians 3:10-14 KJV (10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; (11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. (12) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. (13) Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, (14) I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Paul was not saying he did not attain the state of being ready for heaven, but rather had not attained the physical resurrection. He was incomplete since his body was not made new yet. He was not talking about not being ready for heaven.

If there is one killer of faith it is the concept that we cannot know we are ready due to our estimation of how good we are. It is Christ's work on the cross alone that saves us. Our responsibility afterwards must be intact, since we lose salvation if we do not serve God properly. But those actions and obedient feats do not save us at all.

Oh, that people would know that the work of the cross alone saves us!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe He agrees with His Word. If God saw it any other way... who'd have a chance?

I find this interesting. The legalistic crowd who are so quick to dismiss justification by faith and the finished work of Christ being our propitiation, proclaiming that we have to do righteous works to be saved, ignore their own sin and imperfections, believing that somehow they're going to receive special treatment by God. I haven't met a perfect legalist yet. According to their own paradigm... they themselves aren't going to Heaven.

Aquila, this post grabbed me! I have Ultra Con friends who think that practically everyone is lost but them because they are walking right in the Lord.

Their righteous indignation is no different than the Scribes and Pharisees.

Maybe the rebuke in Revelation is a stark reminder about how Churches lose their way, even in the midst of being righteous. It almost seems like the Scribes and Pharisees all over again.

Jesus told the Church of Ephesus, you have all of these good things (Patience, hating the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, hast labored and not fainted), but you've lost your first Love. If I'm not mistaken, when I was first in love with the Lord, I was honest about my failures and inabilities.

I also had not been contaminated by Religion yet. Life with God was more simple, and my passions ran deep for no other reason than I just loved God. When I was first in love with God, I didn’t know my Bible and my heart was full of desire to follow Jesus Christ. I didn’t have a Heritage in the Lord, and I couldn’t boast about anything in Faith.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

yeah truth hurts doesn't it.

Not in the context you presented. False doctrine hurts His cause.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not in the context you presented. False doctrine hurts His cause.

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