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Originally Posted by acerrak
not really, even through early history each generation continued to believe that they were in the last days, with Jesus immediate return. This was preached until about the end of third to the begining of the 4th century.
Then people didnt preach it as much, The roman catholic church came fourth, and the start of preterism shortly following it.
so this was in place before the futurist mindset that we have today, Btw which people from the 2nd century believed in a mellinium reign
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That is not true. It is assumption. It may be correct! But every persuasion claims the early church taught THEIR view and that others came later. Someone is right and everyone else is wrong. lol. So why even speculate like that as though we know TRUE history by rote? The fact is that nothing in the bible teaches LAST DAYS spans thousands of years. If we go by the BIBLE itself, LAST Days are not said to be thousands of years. WE ASSUME that prophecies we thought were futurist due to dispensational teaching spoke of OUR DAY. And then when we notice that Peter, John and the writer of Hebrews referred to THEIR DAY as LAST DAYS, we ASSUME that means they stretch from then til now. But did we not stop to think maybe the last days including NOW is our thought and not actually what the bible meant.
All the quotes Prax makes from commentators mean nothing, really, too, if they have made this same blunder of an assumption.
Many teachings get in our mind and stick and act like a filter that reinterprets what the Bible said and we do not even realizing we are in effect CHANGING the terms and their applications. We run them through a perceptual grid and do not stop to realize the bible did not say the last days would last thousands of years and span the entire church age.
When we read scriptures that speak of the LAST DAYS, stop and think WHY we claim that involves today. Who in the Bible said SPIRIT POURED OUT means EXPERIENCING THE SPIRIT whether now or when it first came? WHO ACTUALLY SAID in the Bible that POURING OUT might not be in the same category as TARRYING, where people are told to tarry now, but tarrying only occurred since at one point the Spirit was not filling anyone until a few days later?
We have these pat answers for LAST DAYS as though the early church THOUGHT they were in the last days, as Nathaniel Urshan claimed, but we KNOW we are. At least he was consistent with distinguishing our day from the early church using the term LAST DAYS.
People say they are in the last days due to earthquakes abounding NOW in a degree not experienced for centuries since the church began. That is not using the term to speak of the entire church age.
It is claimed that thinking the Lord might come in each person's day since the first century is a means of evangelism, when it has not come yet, is not stated in the bible to be the means by which we should stay stirred up. It's adding to the bible to make that statement. Where do we get these extrabiblical assumptions for what God wants as an attitude for evangelism? From the same source that says God told Moses to preach against pants on women in the 20th and 21st centuries?
John and Paul and Peter and the write of Hebrews believing they were ion the last days when the Lord would come MAKES THE HOLY GHOST INSPIRATION OF THEIR WORDS a farce! It was like GOD FOOLING THEM when He had them write they were in the last days just to keep them "evangelistic".
And Prax's comments from scholars are only that. THEIR comments. It is not what the bible actually said.
Let's step back a bit and really glare at our beliefs and honestly ask ourselves why we believe the scriptures the way we do.
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