Immigration and welfare???

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know but this is another economic issue of giving away benefits without any means to pay for them

I was listening to how Gray Davis (another bone head democrat) had this great idea to double unemployment benefits while not increasing unemployment tax. It has helped to put California deep into debt.

It just does not work. It's economically untenable to give away stuff and not have really high taxes.

We would need to not just repeal Bush tax cuts, but raise them higher then here in California raise taxes all across the board (again). That means increase tax on gas (we already have the highest prices), on alcohol and ciggies, increased sales tax (which is already 8.75 not including local sales tax) income tax, increased fees across the board (registering your car, disposal of oil everytime you get a change...just be creative because thats how they think)

In the end the average person has less money although they are led to believe they get more because they get free stuff and the rich pay for it. And the reality is they may never see any benefits of having less money and getting their free stuff.

Of course this is just incentive for some folks to not work and get free stuff at someone elses expense.

Add to this misery the Unions and the blind democrat economics of taxing businesses,charging them fees and regulatory costs just for doing business and you get even more unemployed. Those businesses have to cut costs because they can't tax every citizen in California. If they raise the cost of their product, they go out of business because there is a company somewhere else making stuff cheaper.

That business will have to quit or move to a cheaper location.

I was listening to Gov. Rick Perry of Texas the other day say that recently 158 businesses just re-located to his state from California.
I don't know how anyone who actually works can afford to live there anymore.
I was raised in Orange County, but there's no way on earth we could afford to live there now.

In my state when a girl gets pregnant and goes on welfare the father has to pay back every single dime. In your state it's a freebie.

It's stunning that not enough voters understood they've ran out of everyone else's money.

[Pragmatist]

Not all states are that strict, however. And I'm pretty sure it's recent legislation that made our state that strict.

[Bro-Steve]

You cannot Receive Welfare if your not a U.S Citizen... but Illegals can pay taxes...the Govt issues Pin Numbers so they can pay to social security, welfare, etc...but they cant receive the benefits..Illegals also cant receive tax refunds.. hopefully we get rid of these people we dont want anymore of there taxes..

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Bro-Steve

You cannot Receive Welfare if your not a U.S Citizen... but Illegals can pay taxes...the Govt issues Pin Numbers so they can pay to social security, welfare, etc...but they cant receive the benefits..Illegals also cant receive tax refunds.. hopefully we get rid of these people we dont want anymore of there taxes..

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!".

[Bro-Steve]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!".

I dont see why ur calling me a MORON if all i said was my point of view..i dont want those leeches here..nd i have facts to back up all i wrote..

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................................................http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/...sam_wants_you/ .................................................. ......................................... http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/while...ng-extremists/
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[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Bro-Steve

You cannot Receive Welfare if your not a U.S Citizen... but Illegals can pay taxes...the Govt issues Pin Numbers so they can pay to social security, welfare, etc...but they cant receive the benefits..Illegals also cant receive tax refunds.. hopefully we get rid of these people we dont want anymore of there taxes..

From the report I heard the benefits paid for immigrates out weighs the amt took in from taxes by a huge amt. So yes the gov would save money by stopping illegal immigration.

[Truthseeker]

"Income Tax: Every time you receive a paycheck, you probably notice that something is missing. That’s because your employer automatically withholds federal, state, and local income taxes and Social Security and Medicare taxes. Immigrants also have money automatically deducted directly from their paychecks —even those who are here illegally. But how? Well, the Social Security Administration estimates that 75% of undocumented immigrants are actually on formal payrolls and are paid by check just like anyone else. They get on the payroll by using fake social security numbers or social security numbers of the deceased, which are easily available from counterfeiters for a couple hundred dollars."


http://roygermano.wordpress.com/2011...nts-pay-taxes/


Please note they even break the law to "pay taxes" according to above report.

[Walks_in_islam]

What report?

What know the lot of you on immigration?

US citizens can receive welfare and unemployment and all sorts of benefits - half of them can live off the other half.

BUT: To immigrate:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864.pdf

You gotta have one of these and somebody (a USC sponsor) has to pony up for one. If an immigrant applies for means-tested benefits the cost comes out of the pocket of the sponsor.

WHAT you need to do is look among yourselves to determine where all of those billions are going. Not at immigrants (who pay taxes whether they are legal or illegal) even though it appears to be the game of the month to distract your attention to one group while paying off the other.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

From the report I heard the benefits paid for immigrates out weighs the amt took in from taxes by a huge amt. So yes the gov would save money by stopping illegal immigration.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

What report?

What know the lot of you on immigration?

US citizens can receive welfare and unemployment and all sorts of benefits - half of them can live off the other half.

BUT: To immigrate:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-864.pdf

You gotta have one of these and somebody (a USC sponsor) has to pony up for one. If an immigrant applies for means-tested benefits the cost comes out of the pocket of the sponsor.

WHAT you need to do is look among yourselves to determine where all of those billions are going. Not at immigrants (who pay taxes whether they are legal or illegal) even though it appears to be the game of the month to distract your attention to one group while paying off the other.

What report? the website I posted. I think illegals immigrants should not pay taxes, collect benefits, work or even buy a big mac beacuse they should not be here, it's crime.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What report? the website I posted. I think illegals immigrants should not pay taxes, collect benefits, work or even buy a big mac beacuse they should not be here, it's crime.

Unlike the hate mongering Nazi's here, I support your right to have an opinion