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Old 07-12-2011, 03:34 PM
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What meaneth this..

Psalm 82 :6 I have said ye are all gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men and fall like one of the princes..

then in John 10 :34 Is it not written in your law, I said , ye are gods?

If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came and the scripture cannot be broken:
say ye of him who m the Father hast sanctified and sent into the world , thou blasphemist ; because I said I am the son of God????

are we in the god class by Jesus Christ or no?
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Old 07-12-2011, 03:38 PM
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Re: What meaneth this..

No. We are not.

NET bible commentary
It is important to look at the OT context: The whole line reads "I say, you are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you." Jesus will pick up on the term "sons of the Most High" in Joh_10:36, where he refers to himself as the Son of God. The psalm was understood in rabbinic circles as an attack on unjust judges who, though they have been given the title "gods" because of their quasi-divine function of exercising judgment, are just as mortal as other men. What is the argument here?

It is often thought to be as follows: If it was an OT practice to refer to men like the judges as gods, and not blasphemy, why did the Jewish authorities object when this term was applied to Jesus? This really doesn't seem to fit the context, however, since if that were the case Jesus would not be making any claim for "divinity" for himself over and above any other human being--and therefore he would not be subject to the charge of blasphemy. Rather, this is evidently a case of arguing from the lesser to the greater, a common form of rabbinic argument.

The reason the OT judges could be called gods is because they were vehicles of the word of God (cf. Joh_10:35). But granting that premise, Jesus deserves much more than they to be called God. He is the Word incarnate, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world to save the world (Joh_10:36).

In light of the prologue to the Gospel of John, it seems this interpretation would have been most natural for the author. If it is permissible to call men "gods" because they were the vehicles of the word of God, how much more permissible is it to use the word "God" of him who is the Word of God?
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:11 PM
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Re: What meaneth this..

then why would Paul call Satan the god of this world..

and then of course Peter says in his epistle that through the many exceeding and great and precious promises we might partake of the divine nature and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust..

you brought in the word "divine" so I used that scripture because it triggered my rememberance..

so it goes on...
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Re: What meaneth this..

We have erred in the sense that we think Elohim always refers to the supreme being. YHWH is the most high Elohim but its not all that uncommon that it is used for others.
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then why would Paul call Satan the god of this world..

and then of course Peter says in his epistle that through the many exceeding and great and precious promises we might partake of the divine nature and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust..

you brought in the word "divine" so I used that scripture because it triggered my rememberance..

so it goes on...
Because Satan is "the god of this world"...Im not sure what that has to do with what I posted or the previous topic

Peter said we are partakers OF the Divine nature. He did not say we become Divine. God fills us with His Spirit not makes His Spirit our Spirit
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:41 PM
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Because Satan is "the god of this world"...Im not sure what that has to do with what I posted or the previous topic

Peter said we are partakers OF the Divine nature. He did not say we become Divine. God fills us with His Spirit not makes His Spirit our Spirit

Now the next question is ....

then how can we mere mortals give unto the lamb that was slain , power and riches and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing

and as far as Satan is concerned how then, can we have power over him and even put him under our feet as Jesus said, behold I give unto you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions , and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you...



You're right Peter did not say we are divine..so we're gonna have to give up that divine nature..
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Now the next question is ....

then how can we mere mortals give unto the lamb that was slain , power and riches and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing

and as far as Satan is concerned how then, can we have power over him and even put him under our feet as Jesus said, behold I give unto you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions , and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you...
We don't, except for honor and blessings of course by our attitude and actions

We have power over Him because we are protected by God and are given authority to do things in HIS name. It's not OUR authority it's HIS
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We don't, except for honor and blessings of course by our attitude and actions

We have power over Him because we are protected by God and are given authority to do things in HIS name. It's not OUR authority it's HIS
I know it's not, but it's given to us..if you give your child something is it his or just a loan..

the bible says the gifts and callings of God are without repentance..
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I know it's not, but it's given to us..if you give your child something is it his or just a loan..

the bible says the gifts and callings of God are without repentance..
We are given the authority to do something in HIS name by HIS power

As for the gifts and callings of God, what is your point?

God gives us OF His Spirit. Not God gives us our own Divine Spirit
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:00 PM
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We are given the authority to do something in HIS name by HIS power

As for the gifts and callings of God, what is your point?

God gives us OF His Spirit. Not God gives us our own Divine Spirit

if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away, behold all things are become new..

A new Creature..
It does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when he shall appear, we shall be like him ; for we shall see him as he is.. and every man that hath this hope purifieth himself ..


This why we should not lust......
Why Jesus said if you look on a woman to lust after her you commit adultery already (in your heart..)
If you are a powerful person that woman will come after you no matter what her status married or not....

and i don't mean powerful after the flesh..
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