Why was my Christianity in Question?

[kingdomapostle]

I can not possibly begin to count how many times I've heard a fellow believer ask the question: How in the world could you be saved AND vote for Obama? I have even read it many times here, and I have noticed that this is definately not a friendly place for those that voted for Obama.

However for the few of you who may sincerely want to know, here are my thoughts:


I based my decision on the facts that were presented, economy and health care issues, while I hold true to my deep oposition to abortion, I do not feel my choice in voting compromises my Christian beliefs.

But many times, they are unwilling to listen. (Just like a few of you who are no doubt already working on your response). But what I think we fail to realize is this, POLITICS IS POLITICS. McCain wasn't going to make abortion illegal. He was going to overturn Roe Vs. Wade which would make it a state decision.

Insisting that someone could not POSSIBLY be Christian because of a voting choice is silly and judgemental. What you need to look at is the condition of your heart when you voted. I personally would question if a greater matter in this is judging. Also, God already knew who was going to win this election long before time for us began. You see, even though He preordained this man to power does not mean that Obama is or is not a good person, it is for His purpose. I am not by any way shape or form presuming to know the will of God, but just showing you how ANY man can be used for God's purpose, good or bad. Including Judas Iscariot and even Peter (who denied Christ 3 times).


Now, don't stone all at once.

[riverslivnwtr]

Where is the stoning button on here?

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by riverslivnwtr

Where is the stoning button on here?

Actually I'd like to take this opportunity to condemn the judgmentalism for which we are all at sometime or another guilty...

there is even anger in some who actually find it offensive for another to disagree with them..

That's a very high horse; I don't believe that even the Trojan horse was that big..

[NorCal]

How is that hope for change working out?
Most people are left with little hope, and no change.

First, health care reform was needed (and still needed). However, the socialistic reform was not what was needed at this time (if at all).

I believe everyone in the USA can afford health care, it just comes down to the fact of priorities. Most would rather have their cellphones, high speed internet, Satellite TV, etc, rather then pay 400 (or more) dollars a month for insurance. They would rather have the government pay it for them, or at least not make them decided.

Second, we will always have the issue of finance when only 52% of the population is paying taxes. If you make 60k a year with 2 kids, you do not even pay taxes. So why are you gripping on what happens with the economy, government issues, and anything government related.

I think if everyone received a bill for the 42k per person that the USA owes in debt, they would change their outlook extremely fast.

I don't care who you voted for, the current path that both Dems and Rep are taking is breaking us. I am 30, and my children's children will still be paying on my grandparents bills. You should look at that also. What are you leaving your children with. I think projections are saying that in one generation, the bill for each person would be over 100k.

We need to get our fiscal house in order. Social programs last. Or we will end up like Greece, broke and owned by China.

[deafdriscoll]

Freinds, I have been deeply disturbed by politics. i voted for a Democrat president for the first time in my life- Obama.
Why would I do this?????
In 2005 it was discovered that Gov. Taft -Ohio was stealing money from the states workmen comps fund. He and his buddies stole $200 million from it.The Gov. only got a $50 fine while some of his buddies went to jail.
This money went to get Bush and many other Republicans reelected in 2004.
It was used to buy coins, wine and houses in Florida to vaction in.
I felt it was time for a change. In 2006 I stopped voting a straight ticket.
i mix it up.
Some messes take longer than 4 years to get out of.
Since 2001 Ohio has lost 500,000 jobs,only Michigan beats that number.
As a christian I ook at many things when I vote, i gave the guy a chance-
Obama. i will not vote for him again.
I voted the way I felt was right for me.
Before you reply I could say the same thing about the republicans that some say about the voter that votes for democrates.
But I have not. A deeply disturbed voter.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by NorCal

How is that hope for change working out?
Most people are left with little hope, and no change.

First, health care reform was needed (and still needed). However, the socialistic reform was not what was needed at this time (if at all).

I believe everyone in the USA can afford health care, it just comes down to the fact of priorities. Most would rather have their cellphones, high speed internet, Satellite TV, etc, rather then pay 400 (or more) dollars a month for insurance. They would rather have the government pay it for them, or at least not make them decided.

Second, we will always have the issue of finance when only 52% of the population is paying taxes. If you make 60k a year with 2 kids, you do not even pay taxes. So why are you gripping on what happens with the economy, government issues, and anything government related.

I think if everyone received a bill for the 42k per person that the USA owes in debt, they would change their outlook extremely fast.

I don't care who you voted for, the current path that both Dems and Rep are taking is breaking us. I am 30, and my children's children will still be paying on my grandparents bills. You should look at that also. What are you leaving your children with. I think projections are saying that in one generation, the bill for each person would be over 100k.

We need to get our fiscal house in order. Social programs last. Or we will end up like Greece, broke and owned by China.

What's wrong with China owning us.. in just fifty plus years they already may have more Christians or soon will at their pace.. not much room for false Christ over there..

I'm not calling you false at all but there are far more false Christs in America than atheists ...and perhaps we deserve to be bought out..We spend more than half our money on the Military .......

........
when he have the most secure borders in all the world..from when Queen Isabella first looked over here...Get your map of Europe and look at the border's of Spain and Portugal and you'll see that our destiny was already determined ,...which give room the Church to correct all it's errors from the Holy Roman Empire... that laffat U is at all of Christianity

[coadie]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

I can not possibly begin to count how many times I've heard a fellow believer ask the question: How in the world could you be saved AND vote for Obama? I have even read it many times here, and I have noticed that this is definately not a friendly place for those that voted for Obama.

However for the few of you who may sincerely want to know, here are my thoughts:


I based my decision on the facts that were presented, economy and health care issues, while I hold true to my deep oposition to abortion, I do not feel my choice in voting compromises my Christian beliefs.

But many times, they are unwilling to listen. (Just like a few of you who are no doubt already working on your response). But what I think we fail to realize is this, POLITICS IS POLITICS. McCain wasn't going to make abortion illegal. He was going to overturn Roe Vs. Wade which would make it a state decision.

Insisting that someone could not POSSIBLY be Christian because of a voting choice is silly and judgemental. What you need to look at is the condition of your heart when you voted. I personally would question if a greater matter in this is judging. Also, God already knew who was going to win this election long before time for us began. You see, even though He preordained this man to power does not mean that Obama is or is not a good person, it is for His purpose. I am not by any way shape or form presuming to know the will of God, but just showing you how ANY man can be used for God's purpose, good or bad. Including Judas Iscariot and even Peter (who denied Christ 3 times).


Now, don't stone all at once.

In secular psychology we often see what people say and what they do are contradictory. You voted for the most pro abortion Pres evah. Your behavior is relevant and your verbal claim is not.
Obama voted against the born alive infant protection act several times and lied about it.

Daniel is an example of a man that had moral absolutes and didn't compromise.
From a business view, it is safe to say Obama was unknown. he had only offered ideology and no actual track record. He said he would not raise taxes to the middle class. Unemployed middle class pay zero taxes. He said he would not sleep till every one that wanted to work had a job. Smoke and mirrors.

Bad voting because "God already knew" is rather lame. As a conservative, I did read the 2,000 page mess we call Obamacare before it was voted on. I guarantee you did not. Pelosi said it would create 400,000 jobs almost immediately after signing. I knew that was not true.

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by coadie

In secular psychology we often see what people say and what they do are contradictory. You voted for the most pro abortion Pres evah. Your behavior is relevant and your verbal claim is not.
Obama voted against the born alive infant protection act several times and lied about it.

Daniel is an example of a man that had moral absolutes and didn't compromise.
From a business view, it is safe to say Obama was unknown. he had only offered ideology and no actual track record. He said he would not raise taxes to the middle class. Unemployed middle class pay zero taxes. He said he would not sleep till every one that wanted to work had a job. Smoke and mirrors.

Bad voting because "God already knew" is rather lame. As a conservative, I did read the 2,000 page mess we call Obamacare before it was voted on. I guarantee you did not. Pelosi said it would create 400,000 jobs almost immediately after signing. I knew that was not true.

Thank you for judging me. I'm glad God is final judge. Take care.

[coadie]

I am sure Obama voters help us fight smoking. it is covered in Obama care laws

[scotty]

Originally Posted by NorCal

If you make 60k a year with 2 kids, you do not even pay taxes. So why are you gripping on what happens with the economy, government issues, and anything government related.

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How is this happening ? I make roughly 55k/year with 3 kids and I pay 27% ? Am I missing a loophole or something ? Another 20% goes to family insurance and I am left with barely over 50% of my paycheck.