Pentecostals Vs. Charismatics

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by houston

You're being questioned because this looks like you believe that there are two spirits, that of Christ and one called Holy.

Oh sorry, I didn't understand the question. I don't think there are two spirits, but I think there is a difference in receiving Christ (i.e., His Spirit), and the baptism in the Spirit. Two different works of the same Spirit. Sorry that wasn't clear.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Oh sorry, I didn't understand the question. I don't think there are two spirits, but I think there is a difference in receiving Christ (i.e., His Spirit), and the baptism in the Spirit. Two different works of the same Spirit. Sorry that wasn't clear.

many people over look this in John 3:6

John 3:6
New King James Version (NKJV)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the (S)pirit is (s)pirit.

one is a capital S the other is a small s.

Meaning God's Spirit Gives bith to your spirit, I believe this happens at repentance (true repentance) cause true repenatance will cause your spirit to change, life style out look and all.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by acerrak

many people over look this in John 3:6

John 3:6
New King James Version (NKJV)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the (S)pirit is (s)pirit.

one is a capital S the other is a small s.

Meaning God's Spirit Gives bith to your spirit, I believe this happens at repentance (true repentance) cause true repenatance will cause your spirit to change, life style out look and all.

i don't think the letters had a case in the original manuscripts, so that would be an interpretation imo. not sure, just commenting.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't think the letters had a case in the original manuscripts, so that would be an interpretation imo. not sure, just commenting.

its been touched on many times even way before we were born. so its not case sinsitive, the Spirit gives birth to your spirit.

Why would God give birth to His Spirit from His Spirit? common sense clears it up

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Another difference between Charismatic and Pentecostal is the Charismatics are more likely (in my experience) to spend time praying in tongues. Many Pentecostals dont believe one can just pray in tongues when they desire.

Also Charismatics are more likely to sing in tongues.

I pray in tongues regularly. I'm fully Oneness Pentecostal. Everyone I know at my church prays in tongues. I go to a pretty large OP assembly in a pretty large OP organization.

The big difference (technically from what I understand) IS the tongues issue. There are also various doctrines that come with the charismatic movement and also various traditions and practices that traditional Pentecostals (whether they be trinitarian or oneness) don't practice and either simply don't participate in or outright reject and disapprove of. Examples include: Word of Faith doctrine, Prosperity Gospel, the whole "ye are gods" thing, then there's the "Toronto Blessing" manifestations of barking and clucking like chickens (I'm honestly not trying to mock them), which usually doesn't happen in Pentecostal Churches whether those Pentecostal Churches are trinitarian or oneness. Most of these doctrines and manifestations are involved in churches that are involved in the "Third Wave" Movement, NOT ALL Charismatics believe in ALL of these doctrines.

As for standards, I wouldn't accuse anybody of being "charismatic" for not following traditional holiness standards.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Then they are not charismatic. Pentecostal refers to the doctrine of tongues being the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost

If some group you claim are charismatic believe the evidence doctrine they they are really Pentecostal, not Charismatic.

The Charismatic renewal movement began long before some Ultra Con UPCer decided to label any pastor that dropped standards as "Charismatic"

though I speak in tongues, my evidence is rivers of living water..
When I returned home the night I received , the Holy Spirit made me know that is was written in John 7:37-39..So i looked it up and Walaa it was there..
so the Holy Spirit had just done two things in one..he showed me where it was and later i realized what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit that when he is come , he would bring to my rememberance whatsoever I (Jesus) has said unto you..from chapter 14 I believe in the same book..

to me it's the rivers of living water...but I accept those who speak in tongues...I have come to understsand that the experience is equal to the level of the Word of God in you,,

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

I pray in tongues regularly. I'm fully Oneness Pentecostal. Everyone I know at my church prays in tongues. I go to a pretty large OP assembly in a pretty large OP organization.

The big difference (technically from what I understand) IS the tongues issue. There are also various doctrines that come with the charismatic movement and also various traditions and practices that traditional Pentecostals (whether they be trinitarian or oneness) don't practice and either simply don't participate in or outright reject and disapprove of. Examples include: Word of Faith doctrine, Prosperity Gospel, the whole "ye are gods" thing, then there's the "Toronto Blessing" manifestations of barking and clucking like chickens (I'm honestly not trying to mock them), which usually doesn't happen in Pentecostal Churches whether those Pentecostal Churches are trinitarian or oneness. Most of these doctrines and manifestations are involved in churches that are involved in the "Third Wave" Movement, NOT ALL Charismatics believe in ALL of these doctrines.



As for standards, I wouldn't accuse anybody of being "charismatic" for not following traditional holiness standards.

Actually all the things you mention concerning Charismatics were found among Pentecostals before they were among Charismatics. I have witnessed all of them in various Pentecostal groups. Neither do all Pentecostals accept all of these things.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Oh sorry, I didn't understand the question. I don't think there are two spirits, but I think there is a difference in receiving Christ (i.e., His Spirit), and the baptism in the Spirit. Two different works of the same Spirit. Sorry that wasn't clear.

1. I have thought the same thoughts. Especially when those who have Christ:

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

2. And those who have the Spirit of Him who raised Christ from the Dead:

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



Now we know that Jesus said, destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up and we also know that the Bible says God raised Christ from the dead. So in this sense the dual nature of Jesus is fully recognized. The work of the atonement via the flesh of Christ, termed the Spirit of Christ imparts righteousness. While the deity of Christ, Spirit of God, dwells in us to quicken our mortal body (both now and in the rapture) so that we are not debtors to the flesh, to live according to it.


While it is definitely not the normal interpretation of the verses, the insenuation in my opinion is there. Not two Spirits, but two works of the same Spirit, one of the atonement and one of the sanctification.