Well...guess I should go buy a stove...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You have not because you ask not.

Maybe Sis. Alvear's boldness to ask for what she needs just gets under some of you guy's skin.

It is, in my view. Maybe if more people supported their work she would not have to constantly ask. Instead they complain and point fingers at her

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Charnock

While I disagree with OP11, I often struggle to bite my tongue over some of the things you post.

I believe, firmly, that you love God and have a heart for His harvest.

However, you sometimes post as if you are owed things, that Americans are lazy non-givers, and as if you are the "only prophet in Israel."

The truth is, MOST foreign missionaries are fully funded, and never have to work a real job, but American pastors struggle with one hand in the harvest, and one hand trying to eek out a living for their families.

I appreciate your effort, but you've got it very, very good.

Now, I am sure you will cry to high Heaven that I am attacking you, but nothing is further from the truth.

Charnock, you're being harsh and judgemental when you say that Sis Alvear "you sometimes post as if you are owed things, that Americans are lazy non-givers, and as if you are the "only prophet in Israel." Maybe you are reading motives and intents of the heart that aren't there.

You are also asserting that being a missionary is not a "real job". Surely you don't believe that preaching the gospel and shepherding the flock of God is not a "real job"?

I've struggled lately when I read some of the things Sis Alvear writes and have come to the conclusion that I'm the one with the problem. When I get those negative thoughts, I try to cast them out by praying for Sis Alvear and her ministry.

[Dedicated Mind]

I think sis alvear has a sweet spirit. the only thing I would mention is that there are people in america who struggle financially. Brazil is not africa or china. there are many christians and missionnaries who struggle world wide. Sis alvear is not the only one facing hardship. many of us struggle in different ways.

[Praxeas]

It should be pointed out Brazil, is not like the US. Sure there are affluent Brazillians but there are also areas where they are incredibly poor and gangs and drug dealers reign nearly untouched by the law

Sis Alvear is not supported by the UPC foreign missions. She is totally dependent on those that can give. Most of those that are members of her church are also dirt poor.

She has made this her life long mission, not a mere 5 year stint

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It is, in my view. Maybe if more people supported their work she would not have to constantly ask. Instead they complain and point fingers at her

I don't mind supporting missionaries. I understand that they are immersed in the work of God. My question is when does the native work take over and become self-sufficient in supporting the work of the Lord in their area?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I don't mind supporting missionaries. I understand that they are immersed in the work of God. My question is when does the native work take over and become self-sufficient in supporting the work of the Lord in their area?

good point mizpeh. I don't know where the alvears focus their work, but there should be plenty of middle class brazilians that could be targeted not only for their salvation, but also to support kingdom building in brazil.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You have not because you ask not.

Maybe Sis. Alvear's boldness to ask for what she needs just gets under some of you guy's skin.

renda, i want to buy a keyboard so i can play in church. can you sow a seed of $450.00 into my music ministry?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

good point mizpeh. I don't know where the alvears focus their work, but there should be plenty of middle class brazilians that could be targeted not only for their salvation, but also to support kingdom building in brazil.

It was a general question not specifically pointed at the Alvears.

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

To accuse me of lying you or your friend need to prove I lie...You have written on a public forum that someone needs to call me...NOW this is not a threat but am sending a request to the administrator of AFF to give me your name and calling my lawyer tomorrow and asking him to read what you have written here.

I do not have unpaid credit card debts...in fact I do not think my credit card has any bills on it right now. I seldom even use a credit card and as I said have NO checking account in Brazil and only one in the states...and I have No American credit cards and only owe a car payment in the states once a month for the mission car...
Have no dresses, no shoes are nothing personal that I can think of on the Brazilian card...sometimes I loan it to the church to fly a preacher from the south here for special services and the church pays the payment...I never even had a credit card until my husband insisted I carry one in case something would come up and he would not be home...lol...

I did not mean the statement like your friend took it ... neither like you have took it to mean...

My goodness gracious! I've seen an overreaction or two in my lifetime but you are hereby awarded the all-time championship!

So now you need to produce the post where I said you lied. And then, after you get off the phone with your lawyer, you can call your congressman, senator, and Barack Obama. In fact, call the U.S. Army. And while you're on the phone with your lawyer, have him read the membership rules for AFF, particularly, the part where revealing the names of members of specifically against the rules. However, if it's THAT important to you to know who I am, go check out the Welcome Mat from a few months back and there you can find out who I am.

If you like, I can also include my driver's license number, social security number, height, weight, hair color, all my checking account numbers, savings account numbers, mother's maiden name, debit card pin number, and credit card numbers.

Even though I didn't say you lied, I must admit that having you threaten revenge and consequences to me when you even thought I said you lied, makes me scratch my head and say, "Hmmmm......now I really DO wonder about those stories."

You don't take being questioned very well, do you?

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

OPII

Walk a Mile in her shoes, then we might listen to you.

Whether or not you listen to me is pointless. I responded to an absurd statement she made and absurdity can't be validated by hardships. We've all got shoes, you know, and if you're interested in walking a mile in mine, let me know. You might be surprised.