Pastors

[mfblume]

Referring to things like smoking and drugs that the bible does not specify is a ruse, I think. The goal is to get people to do things that are nowhere near the category of abusing their bodies with toxins. They are trying to get people to dress a certain way, for the most part. That is what all these sorts of threads are pointing to -- supporting standard keeping. No pants on women and no makeup, jewelry, etc. So do not use the smoking and drugs thing.

The bible gives common sense principles to abide by. regarding the undergirding spirit of standards that this thread is really about, God gave a principle that applies to every culture and generation in Deut 22.:5. Men dress like men and women dress like women. He did not dictate what the mode should be because God was relying on culture to determine that. IOW, he mentioned nothing about pants. This is how the bible gives PRINCIPLES. The bible said to not abuse the body, too. That covers obvious abuses like smoking and drugs, etc. But it is abuse of the bible. speaking of abuse, to say the bible teaches pants on men alone unless the culture of the day generally prohibited pants on women. Let's not discard the basic common sense of biblical PRINCIPLES, nor confuse details into them that are not there..

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Referring to things like smoking and drugs that the bible does not specify is a ruse, I think. The goal is to get people to do things that are nowhere near the category of abusing their bodies with toxins. They are trying to get people to dress a certain way, for the most part. That is what all these sorts of threads are pointing to -- supporting standard keeping. No pants on women and no makeup, jewelry, etc. So do not use the smoking and drugs thing.

The bible gives common sense principles to abide by. regarding the undergirding spirit of standards that this thread is really about, God gave a principle that applies to every culture and generation in Deut 22.:5. Men dress like men and women dress like women. He did not dictate what the mode should be because God was relying on culture to determine that. IOW, he mentioned nothing about pants. This is how the bible gives PRINCIPLES. The bible said to not abuse the body, too. That covers obvious abuses like smoking and drugs, etc. But it is abuse of the bible. speaking of abuse, to say the bible teaches pants on men alone unless the culture of the day generally prohibited pants on women. Let's not discard the basic common sense of biblical PRINCIPLES, nor confuse details into them that are not there..

Are you making a judgement about this thread or should I ask if you are judging my motives concerning this thread?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

What about principles in the bible that some people might not be able to see in the bible like drugs, smoking, or such like? none of these are spelled out clear as day in the bible.

If you are teaching biblical principles then you are teaching what the bible says.

The bible teaches in implicit and explicit ways. It does in fact imply we should not be addicted to drugs or pollute our bodies

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Do you obey your Godly Pastor?

Hebrews 13
17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

I ask and listen to his council. But the ultimate authority in our house (other than God Himself) is us.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Are you making a judgement about this thread or should I ask if you are judging my motives concerning this thread?

Let's cut to the chase. Did you imply in this thread that because people ought to obey pastors then they ought not buck standards a pastor proposes? Yes or no. That is not a judgment but a strong suspicion.

[in1accord]

The following scripture reference is very clear about the pastor's responsibilities. If the pastor follows these guidelines, it's our duty as christians to listen to them.

1 Peter 5:2-4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

2Tend (nurture, guard, guide, and fold) the flock of God that is [your responsibility], not by coercion or constraint, but willingly; not dishonorably motivated by the advantages and profits [belonging to the office], but eagerly and cheerfully;

3Not domineering [as arrogant, dictatorial, and overbearing persons] over those in your charge, but being examples (patterns and models of Christian living) to the flock (the congregation).

4And [then] when the Chief Shepherd is revealed, you will win the [a]conqueror's crown of glory.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Referring to things like smoking and drugs that the bible does not specify is a ruse, I think. The goal is to get people to do things that are nowhere near the category of abusing their bodies with toxins. They are trying to get people to dress a certain way, for the most part. That is what all these sorts of threads are pointing to -- supporting standard keeping. No pants on women and no makeup, jewelry, etc. So do not use the smoking and drugs thing.

The bible gives common sense principles to abide by. regarding the undergirding spirit of standards that this thread is really about, God gave a principle that applies to every culture and generation in Deut 22.:5. Men dress like men and women dress like women. He did not dictate what the mode should be because God was relying on culture to determine that. IOW, he mentioned nothing about pants. This is how the bible gives PRINCIPLES. The bible said to not abuse the body, too. That covers obvious abuses like smoking and drugs, etc. But it is abuse of the bible. speaking of abuse, to say the bible teaches pants on men alone unless the culture of the day generally prohibited pants on women. Let's not discard the basic common sense of biblical PRINCIPLES, nor confuse details into them that are not there..

very good post

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by in1accord

The following scripture reference is very clear about the pastor's responsibilities. If the pastor follows these guidelines, it's our duty as christians to listen to them.

1 Peter 5:2-4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

2Tend (nurture, guard, guide, and fold) the flock of God that is [your responsibility], not by coercion or constraint, but willingly; not dishonorably motivated by the advantages and profits [belonging to the office], but eagerly and cheerfully;

3Not domineering [as arrogant, dictatorial, and overbearing persons] over those in your charge, but being examples (patterns and models of Christian living) to the flock (the congregation).

4And [then] when the Chief Shepherd is revealed, you will win the [a]conqueror's crown of glory.

Amen.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Do you obey your Godly Pastor?

Hebrews 13
17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

How do we know this scripture is specifically referring to Pastor's?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Cindy

How do we know this scripture is specifically referring to Pastor's?

Yeah, it might be a man's wife Paul is talking about!