PCI lite - Page 6

Jermyn Davidson · #51 09-18-2011, 02:15 AM

"PCI lite" doesn't exist.

"PCI" on AFF is a referrence to people who, in a nutshell, believe that salvation occurs at faith that leads to repentance.

"Lite" is actually supposed to be, "light" and it's a referrence to those who believe repentance, baptism in Jesus Name (only) and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues but also believe that others are indeed saved as they walk in the "light" of the Christian doctrine they have received and believe.

PCI doctrine.

Light docrine.

Two different ideas.

"PCI lite" is a misnomer.

Amanah · #52 09-18-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

It is explaining some things that I've been on periphery of but had no idea what was really going on. I think it may explain why my former Pastor left the UPC and quit preaching standards, and is friendly with TFT and TD Jakes. It also explains why my current Pastor's Father of the UPC church I am now attending (who used to Pastor the church) believes that people from other denominations are saved, but are going to another place in heaven. (not sure i have that right)

I should have said Tommy Tenny, not TFT in the above reference.

houston · #53 09-18-2011, 08:19 AM

Don't mind JD. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

It is said that the men that were in the PCI preached the message so hard that you couldn't differ between them and those of the PAJC.
PCI lite refers to those who today claim a PCI position, but you'd think they were from Lakewood...

Jermyn Davidson · #54 09-18-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"PCI lite" doesn't exist.

"PCI" on AFF is a referrence to people who, in a nutshell, believe that salvation occurs at faith that leads to repentance.

"Lite" is actually supposed to be, "light" and it's a referrence to those who believe repentance, baptism in Jesus Name (only) and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues but also believe that others are indeed saved as they walk in the "light" of the Christian doctrine they have received and believe.

PCI doctrine.

Light docrine.

Two different ideas.

"PCI lite" is a misnomer.

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Originally Posted by houston

Don't mind JD. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

It is said that the men that were in the PCI preached the message so hard that you couldn't differ between them and those of the PAJC.
PCI lite refers to those who today claim a PCI position, but you'd think they were from Lakewood...

I do too know what I am talking about.

I have explained it just as it is.

houston · #55 09-18-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I do too know what I am talking about.

I have explained it just as it is.

No, dweeb. The "lite" in PCI lite has nothing to do with the "friends of the bride" (false) doctrine.

Apocrypha · #56 09-18-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

are you saying that you believe in baptism in Jesus Name and speaking in tongues, but believe salvation is at repentance?

if that were true, then who else would be included in the body? everyone who has repented? Catholics, Mormons, Protestants of all sorts, Baptists, lots of people have repented, AoG, Jehovah Witnesses, etc.?

if this were true, the what is the point of saying, repent, be baptized and receive the HG?

Its the topic of many threads on here. But if you come from the UPCI your history was doctored to be presented as something other than what it is. Two groups merged together the PCI (saved at repentance) and the PAJC (saved 3 steps ala UPCI today).

In the beginning it was in the original manual to not disagree (the statement was later modified). and we have posted proof from the first Pentecostal Herald on here that they took articles from both positions. Later the PAJC (which was larger) essentially engaged in a 50+ year of attrittion to get rid of saved at repentance ministers helped by several generations of ABI college students who took over the older PCI churches. Those few left over were finally wiped out pretty much by the 1992 affirmation statement.

Thomas Fudge is a professor of history who did a deep project on it, found alot of original documents in the UPCI historical library in St. Louis and was banned. He put out a letter to all the UPCI ministers to share any older documents they had, and using the treasure trove he found he wrote Christianity without the Cross which pretty much buries any disputing about the real history with a TON of foot notes.

Fudges book has caused massive debate in the ministerial circles that still hasn't stopped. Ask any UPCI minister if he has read it and you will get the gamut from instant anger to a sad insecure look... and of course those enlightened souls who say they will never read that garbage from a backslider anyhow.

http://www.amazon.com/Christianity-w...6356739&sr=8-1

Amanah · #57 09-18-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Its the topic of many threads on here. But if you come from the UPCI your history was doctored to be presented as something other than what it is. Two groups merged together the PCI (saved at repentance) and the PAJC (saved 3 steps ala UPCI today).

In the beginning it was in the original manual to not disagree (the statement was later modified). and we have posted proof from the first Pentecostal Herald on here that they took articles from both positions. Later the PAJC (which was larger) essentially engaged in a 50+ year of attrittion to get rid of saved at repentance ministers helped by several generations of ABI college students who took over the older PCI churches. Those few left over were finally wiped out pretty much by the 1992 affirmation statement.

Thomas Fudge is a professor of history who did a deep project on it, found alot of original documents in the UPCI historical library in St. Louis and was banned. He put out a letter to all the UPCI ministers to share any older documents they had, and using the treasure trove he found he wrote Christianity without the Cross which pretty much buries any disputing about the real history with a TON of foot notes.

Fudges book has caused massive debate in the ministerial circles that still hasn't stopped. Ask any UPCI minister if he has read it and you will get the gamut from instant anger to a sad insecure look... and of course those enlightened souls who say they will never read that garbage from a backslider anyhow.

http://www.amazon.com/Christianity-w...6356739&sr=8-1

I'm reading his book as we speak, I started last night and am on page 58 right now.

houston · #58 09-18-2011, 09:47 AM

Thanks for the history lesson.

SAM has CWOTC in pdf. He has made it available in the past to anyone who requested.

I was 3 chapters into it when some jack deleted it off of the hard drive.

Amanah · #59 09-18-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

Thanks for the history lesson.

SAM has CWOTC in pdf. He has made it available in the past to anyone who requested.

I was 3 chapters into it when some jack deleted it off of the hard drive.

every pentecostal needs to read it imo

Apocrypha · #60 09-18-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

every pentecostal needs to read it imo

Almost everyone who does has to do some serious thinking and make decisions.

Many ministers who have left to go independent will cite this book. Plus AFF itself is has been a wrecking ball to the entire party line of the UPCI. Jim Yohe accomplished what he set out to do before he passed away with the earlier versions of this forum and the community that grew from it... he was a friend, and he would seriously be getting a kick from all this. He was a evangelist so had to keep his opinions under wraps usually while on the field, but this would be the fulfillment of his wishes.