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TGBTG · #11 09-29-2011, 08:22 PM

Just to throw into the mix here:

So are we saying that christian soldiers should kill other soldiers from other countries even though the enemy soldier might be a christian too?

If we have Christians in our military, there's no doubt that other countries also have Christians in their military. So what then happens? Christians end up killing other of God's children for the kingdoms of this world? hmmm

Honestly, I don't think this issue is as clear cut as some it. I think each man must be persuaded in his own mind...

Orthodoxy · #12 09-29-2011, 09:06 PM

In the case of capital punishment (which seems to be mandated in Genesis 9:6), some human being has to actually flip the switch to the electric chair.

Is the flip switcher guy now guilty of murder? Or is he lawfully "bearing the sword" of the state as in Romans 13? The same logic can be applied to the military, police, FBI, etc.

However, this is still a sticky issue. For example, were the Nazi soldiers innocent when they obeyed orders to slaughter Jews in the Holocaust? This is where the "just war theory" comes into play.

Scott Hutchinson · #13 10-01-2011, 05:51 PM

Here is a interesting read.
http://www.hoshuha.com/articles/pacifism.html

Adam · #14 10-01-2011, 06:40 PM

Soldier: "If I say to this man, go, he goes. If I say to this man, kill, he kills."
Jesus: "Whoa! I have not found such faith, even in the UPCI. Lolz."

Sabby · #15 10-01-2011, 09:14 PM

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In the case of capital punishment (which seems to be mandated in Genesis 9:6), some human being has to actually flip the switch to the electric chair.

Is the flip switcher guy now guilty of murder? Or is he lawfully "bearing the sword" of the state as in Romans 13? The same logic can be applied to the military, police, FBI, etc.

However, this is still a sticky issue. For example, were the Nazi soldiers innocent when they obeyed orders to slaughter Jews in the Holocaust? This is where the "just war theory" comes into play.

The Second World War may very well have been the last "just war" that America has been involved.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Some of these posts are pretty interesting. Houston, I didn't realize I was a republican until you pointed it out! LOL

We each have our "calling". Actually, some believers make excellent (gasp)soldiers. (I'm thinking the one with the greatest faith Jesus ever saw, or um, Cornelius. They didn't become officers because they were pacifists but because they were warriors.
Apparently, God doesn't have a "one size fits all" approach to the military.

I remember having a similar conversation eons ago in bible school. Some classmates were creating scenarios talking about defending the home, our wives, etc. One fellow piped up and said that if he had "enough faith" nothing would happen. (I think Sudan has shown us the folly of this kind of position.) I didn't realize that a gun clinger is one that believes in defending his country! This pacifistic attitude is suicidal, whether it's towards an invading country or a intruding rapist.

I guess I'm like Popeye...IyamwutIyam, and if called to defend this country, I would serve. I've also got a hollow point for someone that breaks into my home to harm my family. It's all in degree.

Sabby · #16 10-01-2011, 09:19 PM

Sure, Christ's kingdom is not "of this world", (even the fighter Peter got rebuked for wielding a sword in the garden), but there is a time and place for defense...

RandyWayne · #17 10-01-2011, 09:32 PM

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I guess I'm like Popeye...IyamwutIyam, and if called to defend this country, I would serve. I've also got a hollow point for someone that breaks into my home to harm my family. It's all in degree.

Ya, and we have 20 gage shot gun slugs.

Of course we're expecting the distinct sound of the shotgun and the Sig 9 mm being cocked to have a pretty strong effect on anyone who makes the foolish decision to breaking into our house while we're there.

Adam · #18 10-02-2011, 06:25 AM

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Ya, and we have 20 gage shot gun slugs.

Of course we're expecting the distinct sound of the shotgun and the Sig 9 mm being cocked to have a pretty strong effect on anyone who makes the foolish decision to breaking into our house while we're there.

I'll hide in the dark with a knife, and when they least expect it, slit their throat. If that doesn't work, then I'll go for their throat with my teeth and break their windpipe. After they've finally breathed their last breath, I'll slice off their head. Then dismember them and burn them in the backyard under the full moon. Then, go to church and praise God, Amen.

RandyWayne · #19 10-02-2011, 11:55 AM

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I'll hide in the dark with a knife, and when they least expect it, slit their throat. If that doesn't work, then I'll go for their throat with my teeth and break their windpipe. After they've finally breathed their last breath, I'll slice off their head. Then dismember them and burn them in the backyard under the full moon. Then, go to church and praise God, Amen.

Naw, just a single gun shot. And then after 6 hours of paperwork and debriefing with the cops, THEN I'll go to church and thank God that He allowed my aim to be true.

Or, maybe to follow in the spirit of your example, I would just hide in the closest and break a beer bottle over their head when they passed, then drag them down to my secret dungeon in the basement and have weeks of fun torturing them using every medical device imaginable and THEN go to church and praise God!

FlamingZword · #20 10-02-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

I'll hide in the dark with a knife, and when they least expect it, slit their throat. If that doesn't work, then I'll go for their throat with my teeth and break their windpipe. After they've finally breathed their last breath, I'll slice off their head. Then dismember them and burn them in the backyard under the full moon. Then, go to church and praise God, Amen.

hey dear brother, no fair, you can not steal my techniques in dealing with evil doers.

Now I will have to be creative and invent some new plan.
by the way do you have a woodchipper that I can borrow??