What Must I Do? - Page 3

Aquila · #21 10-05-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

No. In grammar class we all, mostly, were taught that things in a sentence between commas can be omitted from sentences and the sentence still mean the same thing. The reason we include something between commas is to give a lil' further info to was discussed already or to remind the person reading or listening to what the topic is. I believe it like this, "Then Peter said to them be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins you shall receive the HG..." I think when he said "repent" he was talking about the whole thing like this, "They asked what shall we do? Peter said, Repent ( which you already have done )..." I could be wrong, but this is what I believe he was saying. Not saying they were saved before repentance, but he was recounting what the process of salvation is. Repent, call on the lord and you are saved, then be baptized for the remission of sins and then you will receive the HG....

The Ordo Salutis answers what I've emboldened.

Jack Shephard · #22 10-05-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by berkeley

Makes sense. So is it safe to assume that by for, you mean BECAUSE OF the remission of sins?

Right. A conjunction of 'for' is "because or seeing that"... 'be baptized for (because of) the remission of your sins...'

Aquila · #23 10-05-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

One is not saved at the prick of the heart. Wouldn't you agree?

Salvation begins at regeneration prior to conversion. Regeneration awakens the sinner to their need of a saviour and convicts them of sin. This experience is the pricking of the heart that they were feeling. Not everyone felt it, because only those appointed to salvation by God were pricked by the Holy Ghost. It is evident that Paul felt this pricking BEFORE he came to faith in Christ.

Salvation begins by the sovereign work of the Father through the Holy Spirit in regeneration. It doesn't begin according to our little, puny, human will to be saved after hearing a scary sermon.

That which is "born again" must be "born of God"... not flesh, will, or man. Born of God.

Jack Shephard · #24 10-05-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The Ordo Salutis answers what I've emboldened.

Ok, but are you saying that 3 steps is the order?

Aquila · #25 10-05-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Ok, but are you saying that 3 steps is the order?

One can argue that the three steps are part of "conversion". But God has obviously revealed that He elected one to salvation the moment they are wakened from being dead in sin through the power of regeneration and feel conviction over sin and the need of a Saviour. It is only AFTER this sovereign move of God that one comes to realize their need for Christ and thereby chooses to have faith in Christ, repent of sin, be water baptized, and filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:37 MUST precede Acts 2:38.

Beware of dunking a man that isn't BEGGING to be saved.

Jack Shephard · #26 10-05-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

One can argue that the three steps are part of "conversion". But God has obviously revealed that He elected one to salvation the moment they are wakened from being dead in sin through the power of regeneration and feel conviction over sin and the need of a Saviour. It is only AFTER this sovereign move of God that one comes to realize their need for Christ and thereby chooses to have faith in Christ, repent of sin, be water baptized, and filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:37 MUST precede Acts 2:38.

Beware of dunking a man that isn't BEGGING to be saved.

I agree. I was just making sure...

Aquila · #27 10-05-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I agree. I was just making sure...

You'd be shocked to know that this position is Reformed (Calvinist) in its hermeneutic. lol

Arminianism - A man must have faith in Christ that he might be regenerated.

Calvinism - A man must be regenerated from spiritual death by the sovereign hand of God that he might have faith in Christ.

mfblume · #28 10-05-2011, 12:25 PM

Regeneration cannot occur before faith. That would mean all sinners are already saved! lol

Aquila · #29 10-05-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Regeneration cannot occur before faith. That would mean all sinners are already saved! lol

No... it only means that the Father awakens the spiritually dead before He draws them to the glorious light of Christ.

John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (KJV)

Who can come to faith in Christ without the Father drawing them first?

"No man." ~ Jesus

Selah.

Digging4Truth · #30 10-05-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Salvation begins at regeneration prior to conversion. Regeneration awakens the sinner to their need of a saviour and convicts them of sin. This experience is the pricking of the heart that they were feeling. Not everyone felt it, because only those appointed to salvation by God were pricked by the Holy Ghost. It is evident that Paul felt this pricking BEFORE he came to faith in Christ.

Salvation begins by the sovereign work of the Father through the Holy Spirit in regeneration. It doesn't begin according to our little, puny, human will to be saved after hearing a scary sermon.

That which is "born again" must be "born of God"... not flesh, will, or man. Born of God.

So someone who is pricked in their hearts and then refuses to respond to that prick.

Saved huh?

He was saved at the prick but then lost his salvation when he refused?

Explain to me how that works. Not all who are pricked in their heart decide that living for God is what they want more.