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Old 10-11-2011, 02:20 PM
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smuch for whaling and nashing of teeth...
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:24 PM
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IF you abbsolutely found there is no burning, would you still want to live righteous? I wonder how many I church would live different
If the question was if there was no resurrection of the dead I would eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die. I like Paul would not live like I live now.

15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. 1 Cor. 15:32

But since God is real and he sets before us life or death I chose life.
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:26 PM
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I must say that I am quite surprised that MTD takes this position.
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:35 PM
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I must say that I am quite surprised that MTD takes this position.
Why?
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:46 PM
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Probably the main stumbling block for people to see this truth of eternal destrutction (annihilation) is Gods perception of time is not ours.

Forever in Hebrew means something like "to the horizon", like as far as the eye can see.

Jonah the Prophet confessed he went to Hell forever!


2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
2:3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
2:4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
2:5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. Jonah 2:1-6

Yet Jesus telling the same story said he was there 3 days.

12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt. 12:40

The difference is in this.

3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Between God and Jonah those 3 days were like forever! Like they would never end. Yet Jesus (who put Jonah there) later says it all happened in 3 days.

In the time of judgment we should consider with God one day is as a thousand years but a thousand years is as a day. Some may be in Gehenna a long, long time. Others may be destroyed in a day.
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:52 PM
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smuch for whaling and nashing of teeth...
The first few minutes in Gehenna would bring that about. Or simply being raised from the dead to find out that the Bible was true and God is real. The thought that you COULD have gained eternal life/immortality and lived in the glory of God throughout the forevers.

Yet now you must look out on the burning Lake Of Fire and know you have been sentenced to eternal death. Yes wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:54 PM
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Your two statements are so contradictory!!

If Jesus took the FULL wrath of God, how is it that God is still FULL of wrath toward sinners??? If Jesus paid the price, why are feeble, miserable, broken humans required to pay again???? Does God add insult to injury???

Is that what you would do with a son or daughter that got caught up in drugs and addiction, and died without getting set free????

Your theology makes God out to be a failure as a Creator and a Savior.
Eh, so I didn't do the best here. I assumed others might know what I mean.

By full (not FULL) wrath of God I meant that Jesus was not spared of any of the punishment. Not that God depleted all His wrath.

By our punishment I meant those who have repented and had the blood of Jesus applied to them.

By mankind I meant those who have not repented.

Feeble, miserable, broken humans aren't required to pay again. If a person has repented then Jesus already paid for them. If a person has not repented then Jesus did not legally pay for them and they must pay.

Personally I feel this is why hell is for ever and ever. We can never do what Jesus did and that is to pay for our crimes. The punishment will last until our crime is paid for and since we could never pay for our crimes then the punishment will last for ever and ever.

Does God add insult to injury? No and God also doesn't send his children to hell. So that argument makes no sense to me unless you're suggesting that the unrepentant sinner is a child of God. Then you'd be just plain wrong according to the bible.
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you've only been preaching this for one day, it may take longer then that for you to get converts
LOL!
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:03 PM
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Probably the main stumbling block for people to see this truth of eternal destrutction (annihilation) is Gods perception of time is not ours.

Forever in Hebrew means something like "to the horizon", like as far as the eye can see.

Jonah the Prophet confessed he went to Hell forever!


2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
2:3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
2:4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
2:5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. Jonah 2:1-6

Yet Jesus telling the same story said he was there 3 days.

12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt. 12:40

The difference is in this.

3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Between God and Jonah those 3 days were like forever! Like they would never end. Yet Jesus (who put Jonah there) later says it all happened in 3 days.

In the time of judgment we should consider with God one day is as a thousand years but a thousand years is as a day. Some may be in Gehenna a long, long time. Others may be destroyed in a day.
It seems like Jonah was describing his despair and had lost all hope. If he would have remained lost in hope he would have remained there for ever.

Jonah 2:7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

Pretty neat when just a little bit more is read how it all comes into context.
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:05 PM
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Re: Helltruth.com

You're behind schedule, EASTMAN. I have believed this for a few yrs now. Have you embraced fulfilled eschatology? Apparently BEREAN puts you out of the apostolic faith. Welcome to the state of reprobation.
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