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Old 10-11-2011, 03:18 PM
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You're behind schedule, EASTMAN. I have believed this for a few yrs now. Have you embraced fulfilled eschatology? Apparently BEREAN puts you out of the apostolic faith. Welcome to the state of reprobation.
Guess I'll have to turn in my UPCI license now that I believe in the annihilation of the wicked.
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:37 PM
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He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. I don't think I would do anything different than I have already done. I still don't want to go to hell even if I am wrong about annihilation. Does that answer your question?
That will suffice. I was really just addressing the mindset of hell as a deterrent. The "I better not steal cause I don't want to go hell" type mindset.
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:41 PM
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That will suffice. I was really just addressing the mindset of hell as a deterrent. The "I better not steal cause I don't want to go hell" type mindset.
I don't want to steal because I love Jesus.
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:53 PM
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I don't want to steal because I love Jesus.
you and me both!!!!
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:53 PM
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Undying, Immortal Soul?
Doesn't the Bible speak of the "undying," "immortal" soul?

No, the undying, immortal soul is not mentioned in the Bible. The word "immortal" is found only once in the Bible, and it is in reference to God (1 Timothy 1:17).


Since man is made in the image of God and God is immortal isn't man then also immortal?

Why should only one of God's attributes, that of immortality, be singled out for comparison? God is all-powerful. Does it therefore follow that man, made in the image of God, is also all-powerful? God is all-wise. Is man therefore possessed of boundless wisdom, because made in God’s image?

The Bible uses the word “immortality” only five times, and the word “immortal” only once. In this lone instance the term is applied to God: “Eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God.” 1 Tim. 1:17. The five references that contain the word “immortality” are as follows:

Romans 2:7. In this text the Christian is exhorted to “seek” for immortality. Why should he seek for it if he already possesses it? In this same book of Romans, Paul quotes the prophet Elijah as saying of his enemies, “They seek my life.” We understand from this that the prophet’s enemies did not yet have his life in their hands. Therefore, when we are exhorted to seek for immortality, for a life that knows no end, we must conclude that we do not now possess such a life.

2 Timothy 1:10. Here we learn that Christ “brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” The only deduction from this is that so far from immortality’s being a natural possession of all men, it is one of the good things made possible through the gospel. Paul wrote, “The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.” Rom. 6:23. Why would we need this gift if we already had undying souls?

1 Corinthians 15:53. This passage tells when we shall receive immortality. The time is “at the last trump.” Then “this mortal must put on immortality.” Why should the apostle Paul speak of our putting on immortality at a future date if we already possess it?

1 Corinthians 15:54. This verse simply adds the thought that when “this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”

1 Timothy 6:16. Here we learn that God “only hath immortality.” This final text settles the matter as conclusively as words could possibly do, and explains fully why we are exhorted to “seek” immortality, and why we are told that immortality is something that is to be “put on” “at the last trump.”

Not only do we learn from these texts that we do not have immortality, but also we are told that God alone has it.

There are other texts which contain in the original Greek the same word that is translated “immortal” or “immortality” in the six texts we have just considered. But these additional texts do not require us to change our conclusion; on the contrary they strengthen it. Take, for example, Romans 1:23, where Paul, speaking of the idolatrous action of the heathen, says that they “changed the glory of the uncorruptible [immortal] God into an image made like to corruptible [mortal] man.” In the Greek, the word here translated “uncorruptible” is the same as that rendered “immortal” in 1 Timothy 1:17: “Eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God.” The Expositor’s Bible translates the passage thus: “Transmuted the glory of the immortal God in a semblance of the likeness of mortal man.” The uncorruptible, the immortal God is sharply contrasted with corruptible, mortal man.

We read in John 5:26 that the “Father hath life in himself,” and that He hath “given to the Son to have life in Himself.” But nowhere do we read that God gave to human beings to have life in themselves. That is why the Bible never speaks of man as immortal.
I do not believe in the 'immortal soul' immortality is only given to the righteous. However GOD said they would be tormented forever and they will be NOT because they have an immortal soul but because God will cause them to suffer for eternity.
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:54 PM
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Do you believe this is possible?

I did specify the version; King James.

Does this verse in Exodus 21:6 mean forever (without end)?

Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
Forever and everlasting is determined by the context and in the context of eternal judgment then if eternal life is without an end then eternal punishment is without an end. Very simple.
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You're behind schedule, EASTMAN. I have believed this for a few yrs now. Have you embraced fulfilled eschatology? Apparently BEREAN puts you out of the apostolic faith. Welcome to the state of reprobation.
BOTH doctrine are false and absurd.
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Guess I'll have to turn in my UPCI license now that I believe in the annihilation of the wicked.
From the beginning of the merger there were men who taught the annihilation of the wicked.
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Forever and everlasting is determined by the context and in the context of eternal judgment then if eternal life is without an end then eternal punishment is without an end. Very simple.
Annihilation of the wicked IS eternal punishment. The wicked are dead with no hope of ever living again. It is permanent.
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Annihilation of the wicked IS eternal punishment. The wicked are dead with no hope of ever living again. It is permanent.
They are tormented forever.
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