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NotforSale · #**121** 10-12-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do not believe in the 'immortal soul' immortality is only given to the righteous. However GOD said they would be tormented forever and they will be NOT because they have an immortal soul but because God will cause them to suffer for eternity.

Huh?

Get your words strait before trying to explain something as complicated as the afterlife.

If your grammatical skill here is any sign of your ability to interpret the Bible, History, Science, and Culture, people listening to you are in trouble.

Mr. Epley, you appear to be cut and dry, but your trail of mixed up words/ideas, and, your lack of solid reasoning are dangerous.

NotforSale · #**122** 10-12-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

It's more of questioning intepretations of the bible. Pharisees thought they had answers from Gods word. Trinies do too. You think we can't be wrong on some things?

I have found that things I took literal are actualy symbolic. Mistakenly took meaning of words using todays understandingleading to wrong doctrine. For example the word world has diffferent meanings with one example: "end of the world" is refering to end of the age, not eathly world we live in. Simple stuff like this leads us to error on things.

Look at Paul. He was an absolute Bible fanatic. His mission to destroy and kill Christians was strait from God, or so he thought. Even the best can driven with a passion that is off the mark.

Also, look at the Book of Revelation. This Book has gotten countless Preachers/Churches in trouble. All of the symbolisms and metaphors have created a myriad of false prophecies within our Movement.

Too many people approach the Bible with their "Special" insight, instead of confessing how much we DON'T know.

NotforSale · #**123** 10-12-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Forever and everlasting is determined by the context and in the context of eternal judgment then if eternal life is without an end then eternal punishment is without an end. Very simple.

Why does Eternal Damnation (torment/torture/agony/burning in flames forever) have to be in context with Eternal life?

This is not very simple.

iceniez · #**124** 10-12-2011, 02:45 PM

http://youtu.be/G824ZoXIz6s

Steve Epley · #**125** 10-12-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Huh?

Get your words strait before trying to explain something as complicated as the afterlife.

If your grammatical skill here is any sign of your ability to interpret the Bible, History, Science, and Culture, people listening to you are in trouble.

Mr. Epley, you appear to be cut and dry, but your trail of mixed up words/ideas, and, your lack of solid reasoning are dangerous.

The allow me to explain clearer IF I can. Immortality is only promised to the righteous and the majority of the passages are concerning the BODY and NOT the soul. However the people are NOT born with eternal life from their natural birth we recieve eternal life from our spiritual birth. So the wicked do not have eternal life nor will they recieve an immortal body. HOWEVER God who is the Creator and who has the power to kill and make alive will cause the wicked to be tormented forever without end NOT because they are somehow born eternal creatures but because His judgment will allow them to suffer eternal death or dying.

Truthseeker · #**126** 10-12-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by iceniez

http://youtu.be/G824ZoXIz6s

What does that have to do with hell?

iceniez · #**127** 10-12-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What does that have to do with hell?

He had a vision of people in or going to hell. Also that his passion is that people not go there,

NotforSale · #**128** 10-12-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The allow me to explain clearer IF I can. Immortality is only promised to the righteous and the majority of the passages are concerning the BODY and NOT the soul. However the people are NOT born with eternal life from their natural birth we recieve eternal life from our spiritual birth. So the wicked do not have eternal life nor will they recieve an immortal body. HOWEVER God who is the Creator and who has the power to kill and make alive will cause the wicked to be tormented forever without end NOT because they are somehow born eternal creatures but because His judgment will allow them to suffer eternal death or dying.

Sorry, still confused by your Spectral bantering. You give ultimatums that cannot be proven. Guess work leads to more guessing.

How can a person die, forever? When a person dies, they cease to exist.

Steve Epley · #**129** 10-12-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sorry, still confused by your Spectral bantering. You give ultimatums that cannot be proven. Guess work leads to more guessing.

How can a person die, forever? When a person dies, they cease to exist.

Yes if God wills they can and will die forever not naturally but God can and will make it so.
They are NOT going to cease to exist.

Steve Epley · #**130** 10-12-2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sorry, still confused by your Spectral bantering. You give ultimatums that cannot be proven. Guess work leads to more guessing.

How can a person die, forever? When a person dies, they cease to exist.

I am sorry I offered to explain what I meant since you are so brilliant and articulate I am sure it humbled you just to read it. I hope you have taught several I hate for wisdom to die with you.